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Title: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: cambridgealex on January 01, 2013, 12:51:07 PM What can he have? Seems like we're getting bluffed off most of our range if we fold this. This is in a 300euro french sunday donkament. very mixed standard. He's c/raised to 6k with 10k back btw. seems like a reasonably trivial fold, I did fold, but it's bugging me...
Seat 1: Mr.Waffleson (20335) Seat 3: _MAGA_ (12041) Seat 4: Stingerben (19183) Seat 5: Sr Croissant (17615) Seat 6: Mila Ayuhara (20478) ANTE/BLINDS Mr.Waffleson posts ante 30 _MAGA_ posts ante 30 Stingerben posts ante 30 Sr Croissant posts ante 30 Mila Ayuhara posts ante 30 Mr.Waffleson posts small blind 200 _MAGA_ posts big blind 400 Dealt to Sr Croissant Kd Qs PRE-FLOP Stingerben raises 400 to 800 Sr Croissant calls 800 Mila Ayuhara folds Mr.Waffleson folds _MAGA_ folds FLOP 2s Kh 6s Stingerben checks Sr Croissant bets 1055 Stingerben calls 1055 TURN 2s Kh 6s 8d Stingerben checks Sr Croissant bets 2155 Stingerben raises 4167 to 6322 Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: cambridgealex on January 01, 2013, 12:51:22 PM Doobs, any notes on this guy?
Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: youthnkzR on January 01, 2013, 01:02:34 PM I'm not good enough to fold here, especially vs a random.
Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: muckthenuts on January 01, 2013, 03:15:34 PM Check one of flop or turn
Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: pleno1 on January 01, 2013, 03:32:47 PM no dont check flop/turn would be terrible!
they are french and not folding pairs between 8 and K! even for balance purposes if you didnt want to just consider playing vs the (insert new word) factor then its still a def bet. as played v easy fold now imo. just the std simple rule vs these opponents. top pair good kicker = bet bet bet, if they raise, fold. Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: muckthenuts on January 01, 2013, 03:39:17 PM We really can get 3 streets here from worse? I haven't played on .fr but think bet/check/bet usually better against these showdown value ranges than banging 3 streets. Helps to avoid spots like above too.
Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: cambridgealex on January 01, 2013, 03:42:42 PM defooooo can get 3 streets here.
avoiding spots like this isnt an issue, u get c/raised so infrequently they just usually have it and u fold. sometimes they have weird shit though Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: pleno1 on January 01, 2013, 03:53:55 PM defooooo can get 3 streets here. avoiding spots like this isnt an issue, u get c/raised so infrequently they just usually have it and u fold. sometimes they have weird shit though yehp. nice post. if he has it, then tap the table and nod your head at the frenchie outplaying you in this specific hand. WUG on 22 in this spot? Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: Doobs on January 01, 2013, 04:11:05 PM Ac
Doobs, any notes on this guy? Am away from home again, but think he is one of the better regs and reasonably aggro. His line looks weird to me. Don't know. Wonder who won that big sunday tournament? Must take some skill. Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: cambridgealex on January 01, 2013, 04:40:53 PM Ac Doobs, any notes on this guy? Am away from home again, but think he is one of the better regs and reasonably aggro. His line looks weird to me. Don't know. Wonder who won that big sunday tournament? Must take some skill. yeh yeh i knew you won it thats why i thought ud have some history :P Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: BALOTELLI9O on January 02, 2013, 12:22:48 PM Not sure how he's repping nothing. AA, KK, 66, 88, AK? All fit in nicely with an UTG raising range. You would expect a more passive line with 99-QQ. Without a specific read I would just play population tendencies here. And KQ is pretty dead in this spot a lot of the time.
Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: cambridgealex on January 02, 2013, 01:16:20 PM Yeh but people rarely check the flop with any of those hands except 88 maybe. Still possible though ofc.
Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: Doobs on January 02, 2013, 01:45:26 PM A while ago, somebody suggested here that when someone takes a really weird line if is frequently AA. Seems as good a hand as any to assume here.
I scoped him and he is a big winner on site at a big average stake, and even without my notes, am reasonably sure he is more aggro than most. One thing suggests we should call, another suggests we should fold. I think a fold is probably right, so would go with that. Not sure how we get population tendencies on something like this, it is anything but standard. Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: BALOTELLI9O on January 02, 2013, 02:13:08 PM Without reads you have to play population tendencies. What else do you suggest by way of making your decision with very little to go on?
Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: cambridgealex on January 02, 2013, 03:04:33 PM Doobs is saying alex that how do you have population tendencies on such a bizarre spot? As in ppl never really take this line with any hand.
In isolation we can take the turn c/raise to 1/3 of his stack and say "population tendencies say that this is really strong so we should fold" but add in that he didn't cbet Kxx with a flush draw and then does this, then it's much harder to get a population tendency read as ppl vrarely do this. Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: SuuPRlim on January 02, 2013, 04:54:15 PM When good players do funky stuff with no history it's very very often for value.
Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: BALOTELLI9O on January 02, 2013, 09:16:00 PM Vatican City has 800 people living in it, but it's still a population.
Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: cambridgealex on January 02, 2013, 09:34:37 PM Vatican City has 800 people living in it, but it's still a population. Right and if we've never met anyone from there how do we judge the first person we meet? Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: Doobs on January 02, 2013, 11:34:12 PM Vatican City has 800 people living in it, but it's still a population. Yep, you are right, you can make some pretty sick reads after just 22 posts on Blonds and 22 games on stars. Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: muckthenuts on January 03, 2013, 11:35:54 PM no dont check flop/turn would be terrible! Don't think it's even close to being a terrible line though appreciate it may not be optimal on .fr. B/c/b went really well back on 2008-10 in small/midstakes mtt's on ftp, for some reason nobody ever believed it and it gtd 2 streets really light. In spots like this where we seem to have a 2 street value hand vs the typical range we're trying to get value from it would usually be the better line, as sometimes people fold when you go flop/turn but they fold rivers much much less. But yeah if .fr is just full of stations then betting and going for 3 obv best, then folding if ever raised. Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: rfgqqabc on January 04, 2013, 12:56:49 AM He had aces right? Would love results tyty
Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: cambridgealex on January 04, 2013, 10:44:34 AM dunno i just folded turn
Title: Re: i hate it when they check raise the turn repping nothing Post by: Doobs on January 04, 2013, 10:57:54 AM I was thinking that surely nobody plays a hand this way and then shows their hand.
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