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John is being very agitated/grumpy before this hand but I dont neccessarily think he is on tilt.

I am playing £230 John about the same maybe 10-20 less

I open to £4 UTG+1 (standard open at this table was £3 so made it 1 bigger due to EP)

Go 4 way to the flop inc JB flicking in from the bb after a little think.

 7s 5s 5h flop, checked to me.

I bet 11 into 17, folds round to John who makes it 40

What are we doing with:

1.  Ks Qs
2.  Ad Ahrt
3.  Ac 7c
4.   Ad 5d
5.    Th Tc

?

Calling all of them

Folding A7. TT seems close, probably fold. Calling the rest.

This, most opens were 5/6 though? although it's not relevant to hand

Would probably fold the a7 actually

All of the pair hand are basically the same.

Why is aces such an easy call but tens is a fold? Played very little with JB, but he's gonna have a 5, a draw, or a random spazout. Not gonna start folding A7 coz were scared of 88.

Edit: sigh, somehow missed flopped flushdraw! Yeah he has more equity vs us with overs n FD, but still not folding. I've read some of his diary ;-)

Edit #2 click them all back so he folds a five face up. Trolalolol

[04:33:19] Tom Langley - Mt.Spewmore: u think theres a big difference between JJ and AA?
[04:35:30] Edd Ash - Pugwashed: his flush draws that contain overcards to JJ do better vs JJ than AA so its gonna be harder to call down with JJ when turn or river is a K or Q but in terms of their absolute value they should be equivalent vs him here
[04:36:56] Edd Ash - Pugwashed: he could c/r Kxss and value bet a K on the turn or river
[04:38:37] Edd Ash - Pugwashed: so if you're looking to randomise your frequencies by calling down sometimes when you have an overpair (given they all should have the same absolute strength vs his range) then the best way to randomise it is by using the biggest ones
[04:38:49] Edd Ash - Pugwashed: to call and fold the smaller ones

Just copied and pasted from skype, cba typing it out again. And A7 is pretty much the bottom of Tom's flop cbetting range here so folding it really shouldn't be a problem.

Yeah, beat u to that with the ninja edit :-)

^ Just said same thing in a different convo

A7 hand is dependent on how often JB will fire 3 barrels with KJss for eg when it comes 4c X, or when he has s straight draw and it comes X, then a club. Think he barrels our cards too which does make it more appealing.

The more he barrels the more I'm liking the A7 fold.

could 3bet A7 :P

When in rome and all that

Reasons for just calling with A7? We think we're ahead most of the time so why just call with a hand that never improves on turn/river? We aren't happy to get it in here I suppose, so is click/fold better than call/hope?

Understand all the others being calls tho.

Did you even read OP?

Copy/pasted his standard answer for range topics from notepad

3 betting a7 to make life easy.

Just lol at anyone suggesting 3b flop vs me here.

Tom was UTG, cbet multiway and got checkraised by me.  I would take everything I've checkraised and deepthroat him if he clicks this flop.

If im Tom, I genuinely hate life in this spot, vs someone who although clearly annoyed/ grumpy/ tilted isn't ever going to have an airball here and has shown a propensity to barell in the past. Anything other than lolfold seems pretty tough.

lol at Mitch suggesting a blowup.  How did you know? :P

if you c/r anything without equity, from is history with you, you are definitely potential of gigantic retarded spew and you could be c/r here w/j8 or something that you "flicked" in. i hope you're not suggesting you'd go all in with j8 if you c/r here?

i'd say when you c/r here you are spewing or doing something fancy more than you have a 5. so 'm very happy to bluffcatch vs you, its alot easier to bluffctach with aa than a7 and a7 has terrible playability ott / otr.


anyway, we never have a7 when we open pre.

I have a blowup cr range, vs Tom Moxvsbsifnfkin Langley when he's opened the gun and cbet???

Lol, gl.

And yes, I would crammmmm every single hand I cr if he 3bts flop.  He's repping 77/55 and gl sir.

well its obv good to c/r because its multiway and you can have any 5 (you call q4 with 30bbs) and he likely doesn't hold a 5..

I like the idea Tal, A7 doesn't play that well HOWEVER it does have one piece of merit and that it that it plays better against the NFD than some of the others.

Also....


If this is actually true, not sure it really is seems way better to just have a calling range OTF than none, but that would make  Ks Qs a call, A7 (meh) fold, and all the others very very easy 3bet/calls.

This would be why I think not having a flatting or a folding range is a bad idea.

For anyone that has any faith in me..

My Cr range here is likely -
Axss + Kxss (30-60 %), all the half decent st+FD combos, every 5x, 55/ 77/ 75

Still want to 3b/ call???

you said you would cr/ship EVERYTHING you c/r....


Yes.

All day long

4b jamming j8 or anything else that you initially take off which is super bad,

Clearly, but I would never have air vs Tom. Ever.

.

fyp

Rofl

 Ahrt Ahrt Ahrt Ahrt

Would love to click quads and have jb jam. 16 minute tank, then after calling ask desperately to run it 3 times. Then pray he smashes all 3

Won't be agreeing to run it more than once without seeing the hand first.


Turns out I had Aspades 2s in this hand.. And yes, I would've jammed had Tom done anything close to a raise..  Doesn't mean I always would, just this spot, this time.. I wasn't folding.