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Just come back for day 2 of the DTD deepstack. There's been a seat redraw so no reads on anybody whatsoever.

3rd hand of the day, blinds at 2500/5000 + 500. I've got 84k

I pick up 99 utg. Elect to make it 10k and get a call from the button and big blind.

Flop is 977 so I'm loving life.

Thinking about the hand afterwards though should I have just shipped? Other than that flop I can't think of many I would've liked and I'd always expect to be put under pressure from the bigger stacks post flop.

What other hands are we shipping with this stack? What hands should we be raising?

Seemed like a really awkward spot to me and very easy to get wrong.

50p

Think betting must be better than shoving.  You want to give people an opportunity to screw up by shoving to make you fold or calling with bad 2 pairs.

Checking is probably fine too.

UL

Fair enough I'll cough up.

Really think I may have made a mistake though. It's a really marginal spot I think, you don't want to shove and lose value but also you don't want to flop any over cards if there's multiple callers.

Really didn't know what to do at the time. A slightly bigger stack and it's a raise, slightly smaller and it's a shove.

Interested to know what people think.

Post flop was easy. It was pre that I wasn't sure about.

I am pretty sure Matt is talking about shoving pre.

I like shoving pre as well, with all my marginal stuff and opening the top of my range. Assuming the table isn't capable/know to exploit me.

jam 55+ AJ+ KQ and min AA-QQ imo.

Might min some more stuff in lp but not ep (obv)

How wide do you go with the marginal stuff off 17 bigs utg?

I was thinking I should've shoved this as well as probably 88 up to JJ. Also shove AK and AQ maybe KQs. Raise the 3 big ones.

Fold everything else.

just open

jam 88-JJ + AQ min QQ+ AK, fold everything else

Too much to shove I think, should be raising more from UTG..   Nice flop, horrid turn,

i don't think shoving 10-20bb UTG is at bad all when there are a few bigger stacks on the table,
it sets up a nice spewy/aggro image,
& if i've done it once or twice i like to think that i'd still ship that same stack w aces

yesterday though many of the tables were full of sub-average 20bb stacks & i think when that's the case you shouldn't view 15-20bb as an auto-shove stack (something i'm guilty of),
there is still a lot of room to manoeuvre & yes sometimes you'll have to make some eye-watering stack2pot ratio folds but 10bb is still very comebackable from as a shoving stack*

*some rungood skills req'd

Sure you've told me its too big to open ship 17bbs utg..??

Thought U said minr till 15?

I woulda said just open Evil, also need to out more work into dodging quads next time!

Online r/c but its live and people peel too much with no clue of stacksize considerations and we have 99 that flops horribly. Ripping it is hugely profitable here imo.

+1. Also means we can min from like 15bb in lp with certain players in the blinds who will 3bet only for value and extremely tight, but also peel a lot and try to flop really well to "outplay" the young guy.

I prefer shove but opening is ok.

Your range is too tight TL :)

What would you add? 66+? AJs KQs?

17bigs is alot to be open jamming much wider?

If you meant you can min the KQs AJs etc then that makes sense and i agree

Yeah that's all I meant really

Think JJ is too strong to jam live.

Effectively the same hand. More than happy to Jam here seems less
exploitable.

[  ] effectively the same hand

I am struggling to be bothered to post this for the millionth time on here, so yeah antes people stop looking at our stack as a simple multiple of the bb.

I actually wouldn't mind folding 88 or less of the pairs with this stack UTG. Shove 99-JJ and min QQ-AA. Fold AJo KQo, shove KQs, AJs+. Seems tight but no one wants to go home this early on a day 2 before the money and you're getting snapped off only be hands that have you in heaps of trouble. But for this same reason, we can go much wider in the later positions.

OK  ;marks; top medium pair then. Anyway as Longy states its not the bb's that matter as much here
its our CSI/M that should be the deciding factor and with it being as low as it is 7 would snap shove
88+,AQo+,ATs+,A5s,K10+,QJs.

Online its close, I jam 88-99 online here, but defo folding 77 and worse. Live I jam 99/TT, min better, fold worse. Probably r/f AT/AJ, KQ, r/c AQ+. Depends on my table draw quite a bit though... you can get away with being supremely exploitable and r/f some decent hands (AT/AJ here) and never be exploited... others you need to push the small edges. Generally 17bb live is loads though as people just fold way too much to jams.