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Title: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: outragous76 on January 11, 2013, 06:11:51 PM
Scenario

Hand 1

Very drunk guy, utg +1,  shoves blind for 360, folds to us in bb
playing 325.

He is 100% blind and "ready to go home"

We call with?

Hand 2

Same scenario but we are in sb with 325, and bb has 225 and is competant


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: cambridgealex on January 11, 2013, 06:23:27 PM
depends how comfortably rolled for the game you are imo.

the better rolled you are the closer to perfectly you should call.

By perfectly I mean K2+ Q5+, J7+, T8+ and pair or Ax. which are all >50% vs random hands.


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: cambridgealex on January 11, 2013, 06:30:02 PM
in the other scenario, I reckon the guy overcalls a range of A9+, KJs+, 77+ or something? he wakes up with these about 10% of the time so im shaving the bottom 10% of above range and calling like K4+, Q8+, J9+ and all pairs and Ax


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: outragous76 on January 11, 2013, 06:37:16 PM
Rec player, money doesn't matter, but really calling off T8?

Hand 1 was KTo and Hero thought it was right on the boundary for calling


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: BorntoBubble on January 11, 2013, 06:55:32 PM
Rec player, money doesn't matter, but really calling off T8?

Hand 1 was KTo and Hero thought it was right on the boundary for calling

if someone has shipped blind and i am comfortablly rolled... and i wake up with K10 im putting it in no questions about it!


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: cambridgealex on January 11, 2013, 07:01:03 PM
Rec player, money doesn't matter, but really calling off T8?

Hand 1 was KTo and Hero thought it was right on the boundary for calling

T8s yeh

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    47.666%     45.84%    01.83%        3846142844    153141492.00   { random }
Hand 1:    52.334%     50.51%    01.83%        4237863772    153141492.00   { T8s }

Even T7s is 50.6%

If money doesn't matter, what else is there to consider apart from the maths?


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: cambridgealex on January 11, 2013, 07:05:54 PM
mind you, you have to take into account that the whole table as folded meaning villain is more likely to have BIG CARDS than if it was just a heads up hand


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: rfgqqabc on January 11, 2013, 07:11:57 PM
depends how comfortably rolled for the game you are imo.

the better rolled you are the closer to perfectly you should call.

By perfectly I mean K2+ Q5+, J7+, T8+ and pair or Ax. which are all >50% vs random hands.

Presume these are all suited as J7o is only 49.68% vs a random hand.

I'd take any hand i was sure was comfortably plus ev. This is purely a bankroll size/comfort level/tilt question. Alex may feel calling with any hand that is slightly +ev is correct, which it is for him. However, someone might tilt their nuts off if they lose this hand, meaning they should call much tighter etc etc.

I'd prob call any Ax, K4s+ K7o+ Q8s+ Q9o+ J9s+ any pair in theory. However I'd use the base as Q7o being breakeven and punt from there depending on how much I'm stuck :)



Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: outragous76 on January 11, 2013, 07:23:49 PM
Only consideration is hero prefers to win on night than lose, but that's all. Just wants to make a reasonable play. Called KT but really tanked it!

2nd hand has A2 and knows   Bb hasnt looked at hand yet. Call?


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: FredW on January 11, 2013, 07:26:02 PM
Only consideration is hero prefers to win on night than lose, but that's all. Just wants to make a reasonable play. Called KT but really tanked it!

2nd hand has A2 and knows   Bb hasnt looked at hand yet. Call?

What game is this?! It sounds awesome.


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: cambridgealex on January 11, 2013, 07:34:14 PM
yeh calling A2 in the 2nd hand


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: outragous76 on January 11, 2013, 07:38:46 PM
Only consideration is hero prefers to win on night than lose, but that's all. Just wants to make a reasonable play. Called KT but really tanked it!

2nd hand has A2 and knows   Bb hasnt looked at hand yet. Call?

What game is this?! It sounds awesome.

I imagine it's any game in any casino on a Friday night after midnight?

It's actually the nittiest nit fest of a game ever in alea leeds


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: Bully87 on January 11, 2013, 11:19:13 PM
Only consideration is hero prefers to win on night than lose, but that's all. Just wants to make a reasonable play. Called KT but really tanked it!

2nd hand has A2 and knows   Bb hasnt looked at hand yet. Call?
What game is this?! It sounds awesome.

I imagine it's any game in any casino on a Friday night after midnight?

It's actually the nittiest nit fest of a game ever in alea leeds


Fred would know this had he made last time we came Leeds instead of cougar hunting. For the record I still lost in that game..


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: edgascoigne on January 11, 2013, 11:31:42 PM
Calling both. There's the added value of it dissuading people from f#cking with you too.


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: SuuPRlim on January 12, 2013, 10:38:06 AM
ye call both, If I was folding either I'd fold the A2 - the KT hasss to be a call imo unless you need the money to buy new kidneys tomorrow.


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: rfgqqabc on January 12, 2013, 04:40:23 PM
Few factors to consider.

If we lose will he leave?

If we fold will he ship again?

If we lose will he continue to ship blind?

I think these are all worth considering before we call with T8s. Especially as everyone else's calling range will be absurdly tight.


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: Free_Rollin on January 12, 2013, 05:13:39 PM
JT+, Q8+, K7 (maybe lower than 7), any A and any pair.

I'm personally not calling with T8. If he's ready to go home, he's probably shipping till he's getting called.

Think these edges only really work when you're playing enough similar situations for them to conform to their averages, which isn't really going to be the case. I think it's fine to pass a small 0.5% edge or whatever, and not calling off 3+ buy ins in a live game.


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: pleno1 on January 12, 2013, 05:15:58 PM
meh pretty sure everybody calls way tighter irl.



Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: Free_Rollin on January 12, 2013, 05:18:49 PM
meh pretty sure everybody calls way tighter irl.



I think the same, which is why I didn't go by the Maths. I'm definitely not calling it off with Q5, T8, etc.


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: outragous76 on January 12, 2013, 06:19:09 PM
JT+, Q8+, K7 (maybe lower than 7), any A and any pair.

I'm personally not calling with T8. If he's ready to go home, he's probably shipping till he's getting called.

Think these edges only really work when you're playing enough similar situations for them to conform to their averages, which isn't really going to be the case. I think it's fine to pass a small 0.5% edge or whatever, and not calling off 3+ buy ins in a live game.
Last paragraph is so true

This is why I posted really, in my head I snap kt, in game I could easily have talked myself out of it!


Title: Re: 0.5/1 cash game
Post by: SuuPRlim on January 13, 2013, 12:50:35 PM
meh pretty sure everybody calls way tighter irl.

Ye defo, in effect, as like mister freeeee rolllllllin said these are just gamble spots so most of the time just comes down to whether you fancy it or not....like somone giving you a horse tip @ 6/1 he says it should be a 9/2 shot doesnt mean we all snap go out and pile on.