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$25r 6max blinds 150/300 w/50 ante HERO has 10bb's

What's our shoving range from the SB to a button raise with no reads but large stack?



Table 7000 RA (6Player tables)

Seat 3 is the button


Seat 1: ( $15289.00 USD )

Seat 3: VILLAIN ( $19277.00 USD )

Seat 5: HERO ( $3123.00 USD )

Seat 6: ( $18743.00 USD )

Seat 8: ( $3495.00 USD )

Seat 10: ( $12674.00 USD )


Seat 1: posts ante of [$50.00 USD].

Seat 3: posts ante of [$50.00 USD].

Seat 5: posts ante of [$50.00 USD].

Seat 6: posts ante of [$50.00 USD].

Seat 8: posts ante of [$50.00 USD].

Seat 10: posts ante of [$50.00 USD].



HERO posts small blind [$150.00 USD].

Seat 6: posts big blind [$300.00 USD].




** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO [  xx  ]

Seat 8: folds

Seat 10: folds

Seat 1: folds

VILLAIN raises [$600.00 USD]

HERO raises [$2923.00 USD]

assuming not near a bubble I'd shove just about anything vaguely playable. 

seems terrible as we have no fold equity and he should be stronger raising into shallow stacks. i.e shoving 67s here would be insanely bad.

Dont agree he has no fold equiity I def had plenty of folds in the same position.  Anyway he's in dreadful shape in the tournament getting it in as a 33% dog is preferable to losing the same equity in blinds and antes imo.

We have zero fold equity, villain calling circa 2300 into 4600.

we def have some FE, like i will r/f here otb alot. Some people won't however, so its pretty villian dependant.

I wouldnt go reshoving 67s here vs anyone though.

this is him opening any 2 and us reshoving SUPER tight

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    71.058%     70.42%    00.64%      127035615988    1146516822.00   { 88+, ATs+, KQs, AQo+ }
Hand 1:    28.942%     28.31%    00.64%       51062576768    1146516822.00   { random }


Its  a mistake for him to raise fold here

this doesnt make sense as every hand he has has individual equity vs that range. Also your saying hes getting 2:1 on a call right? 28% isnt enough equity, need 33%

edit : its 2323 to win 4123 so not even 2:1 which means we need closer to 40% equity vs reshovers range, so he most definitely can raise/fold.

Course we have fe... Range is totally villain dependant.

The range shows him opening 100%

Please feel free to add you actual reshove range, because the ones above are too wide for the opener and wayyyy too tight of the shover.

The point I am making is, in game, using estimation, people are going to call off unless they have actaully opened 72o. They should be aware that they they "cant" fold when they open and therefore should actually be opening a little bit tighter anyway!

This is also magnified by the fact that he has a shit tonne of chips and is therefore much less likely to fold

FWIW as villain Im opening

22+
A2+
TJs+  <-------------
KTo+ <-------------

<------------- in game dependant, could be tighter

They can fold though, your living in 2005 if you think you can't/shouldn't raise/fold here on the button.

the button needs 36% equity to make a breakeven call of our reshove. Im not going to go through my entire reshoving/calling ranges in this spot but yes that range you gave is obv absurd and too tight, but to say the button "can't" fold is equally absurd.

The button can raise 72o on the button here and it is 100% profitable even if he folds to the reshove.

then your opening too tight.

vs a non descript villain(s) i disagree

76s has 39% equity vs that range

If hero just folds he is going to blind of 25% of his stack if he doesn't find a spot in the next 6 hands.  I think that getting it in asap is imperative.

Great I hope he shoves it vs my range, because im not folding

given that hero (or bb) aren't shoving/3 betting 100%, your range must be too tight if you never raise/fold.

bb has the world thout right? So why open Q7s?

You can solve this very easily with a shove equity calculation. there is defo a range that the btn can open, of which some hands will fold which is completely unexploitable by the SB, in theory.

In practice guys correct that you prolly dont get as many folds as you think (through a combo of the btn not opening some profitable raise/fold hands and the btm raise/calling some hands he can raise fold) but thats a very easy dynamic (and i feel it will be quite stnd amoungst a high% of players) to adjust to by just tweaking the range you shove slightly.

not tightening your range here on the button seems pretty terrible. but meh :D

Why? If its making you fold hands because you perceive yourself to have no fold equity how can that be terrible? Im not saying im opening any 2 otb, but im not gona go round folding Q5s just because there is a player in the sb with 10bb.