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I think this hand is pretty interesting so I thought I would share.

DTD 300 yesterday, moved to the table about 20 minutes ago and have opened 1 pot which I won with a cbet on Axx. I recognise a few faces but nothing of note.

Villian in said hand = Lil Dave. First time I have met him/played with him so I don't know how he perceives me.

Im playing 100k at 800/1600 Dave covers.

Dave opens UTG+1 to 4k, i flat in HJ with  8c 8d folds round.

Flop :  Ts 9s 9h

Dave checks to me, I bet 4700 he calls.

Turn :  Kc

Checked through

River :  Js

Dave checks again and I decide to turn my hand into a bluff to try and get Tx to fold, maybe AK if he has decided to play it this way. I bet 13,300, Dave thinks for a little while and makes it 42k.

What does he have?

Thoughts on calling/jamming? Obv standard is to fold (which is what I did fwiw)

We had 90k total on the river

he probably has 10's.

i'd just sigh give up I think. dont expect him to fold kj/kq and his 10x is usually 910+ all fo which is 2 pair/striahgts/houses.

wouldn't expect a good player to open ep and then just check fold some random paired board. So I would figure betting flop wouldn't achieve much except inflate pot and leave us vulnerable to check raise. We are beaten by a better bluff or nuts imo. Either way it's a fold as the intention of the bet was to bluff and that didn't work out.

i agree I dont expect him to c/f this flop often. But we can have the best so betting for protection and it makes the hand alot easier to play down the streets by betting the flop imo.


This doesn't make sense because his range completely changes.

I think anything you would want to rep with a river shove would have bet the turn seen as he would have pair + draw a reasonable amount

I'd probs check back the flop. The deck is about 50/50 good cards and bad turn cards and you can see which one you get for free. Betting for protection doesn't seem to me to be a priority as the only hands you fold out are those with 3-6 outs, and you're not far enough of the range that c/calls to bet for value.

Maybe he thinks for a little while because your river bet makes little sense to him after you led flop?

Your 88 could of been good here and you gave him a chance of winning the pot by betting river in position.

obviously me and Tom have never played together but anyone who knows my game in depth will confirm that once I've c/c the flop I literally can't think of a single combo of cards that I could have that 88 can beat after the way the boards ran out. So's Tom's conclusion that he needed to bluff in game is deffo correct (not saying 100% he SHOULD have bluffed but he wins by turning his cards over pretty much never)

Check back the flop the reassess turn and river.

My feeling is, as played, he has a big hand where he would call off your all in.

It is so dangerous, he has put a sizeable amount out knowing you could have easily too have smashed the board so really he check calls river with good hands and does what he does with a huge hand.

It really isn't too good of a bluffing river either is my point as you could sigh call with a lot of decent hands here, making an airball opportunity for him look terrible.

I think river is a check back right? You can't rep enough Qx hands?

Equally don't have enough houses to jam the end right?

I think I check/bet flop completely dependant on my feelings in the seat, can argue for either.

BTW it's almost impossible for me to have pure air here, actually...It is impossible.

Yea i agree on reflection and calling would be real bad imo. Jamming is still an option though (which i didnt consider long enough in game)

Folding is just 100% standard though and definitely the best play

T9 isn't a jam on the end though? In this comp?

I'll tell you my cards,i had  Qs Jc (or some offsuit jack)

I chk/call the flop, I take these kinda passive post-flop lines quite a bit vs good players in these comps, think this is a good hand to do it with as 1) I only have Q high (!) and two I think the high card hands that have missed the flop (AJ and AQ specifically)are going to float almost always and shut me off on loads of turn cards so I think I can play better against those hands with a chk.call OTF. If he has a 9 i'm destined to do some money in the hand but i get to realise my equity this way more often, and vs pairs or Tx I have plenty of equity as any A,K,Q,J,8 is good for me OTT. Also I am sure Tom is well aware I could chk/call flop with JJ-AA (more likely AA and KK granted) but that seems pretty plausible that i could get to the river on a variety of run outs with JJ+

In hand, I didn't know what to do OTT - instinct was to lead, but it looks so strong, I think he'd fold Tx and would never attempt to bluff raise or float this turn card with his air, he'd likely peel again with a flush draw that had a gutshot with it or if it was the NFD so value there, but decided to check, to check call. He checks back.

River kinda interesting card, I think AQ very possible, also think flushes are possible, I thought for quite a bit, I was going to just value bet, but think it's bad here, Tx now never ever calls, he could have J8s, AJ but i think both those hands fold too, he doesn't REALLY have too much absolute nothing, 67 and 78, maybe some A[2-5] suited hand that peeled pre and stabbed the flop so i checked, pretty much expecting that it would go chk/chk and I'd win.

I wanted to just call the 13.3k, seems like a pretty reasonable spot, problem is he has so few air hands that I think he has a straight quite a bit, I dont think he checks T9/K9/9x on the turn all that often and Imagine I'd get 3b with KK and JJ pf so whereas it's possible i think the NF is the best hand Tom has on the river a lot of the time. Also I have the Qs which removes a lot of flush combo's (useful) I decided a big raise would be marginally better than calling as I think Qx and AQ folds a lot of the time, I think any not-nut flush should prolly fold as well although he considered hero'ing with 88 so not sure if he;d have folded 6s 7s  / 7s 8s and i guess he defo wouldn't have folded the NF although it's a pretty sigh spot i think. I think i'd call the NF and fold the other flushes in game. I think as At/A9/Ak/Aq/AJ spades are all out of the question and he would 3b and fold osme of the time with the smaller suited aces preflop most of the time he has a flush it's a small one.

IMO, jamming wouldn't be an option here as I can have all the boats and you prolly can't, if you had T9 here then I agree with Adam I think you should just flat the river, as I think I rep KK and JJ pretty well so it's not a spot I'd have given jamming any thought at all really.

High chance I was clicking buttons in this hand but was quite cool, I think the river bluff is fine like you say you actually beat nothing.

How is it impossible for you to have air Dave? Or at least how is a random hero to know air is impossible? On that flop I would say some random good villain can rep half the deck on me on the turn so I couldn't discount air from your range. You might say it's impossible but how do I know that?

by not having air I dont mean i can't be bluffing, I abso can be, but I cant have a complete airball, it is actually almost impossible (the way i play it is actually 100% impossible)

I'd never check call the flop with 77 or worse, or 78 or A3etc, every other random chk/call hand on the flop no matter how thin either has a straight or a pair by the river. I wouldn't expect everyone to think this but I expected Tom to think it, as he did by correctly deducing that OTR 88 can never be the best hand, and he's right it 100% can't be.

It's not a level either it's just straight up fact i have something on the river 100% of the time (might be as weak as T8) but I have some sort of connection always.

basically i have a hand that could consider CALLING 100% of the time on the river.

ok sweet. If we know everything got there and on top of that you sometimes bluff how effective is our own bluff attempt on the river ever gonna be? I mean you c/r wit straight on paired suited board, so what % of your made range can we expect you to just check fold?

Also if you flip and have the 8-8 how do you play it?

mmmmm was thinking about this hand in the shower (I know watch more porn etc) but I realised 7s 8s is a straight flush! haha silly me.


Well IDK really lol, my bluff was purely to try fold out Qx and AQ and maybe a small flush (think this makes up the vast majority of his river Value-betting range) obviously he's capable of betting thinner than that for value and ofc, bluffing which means I'm going to win the pot on those occasions anyway. I thought he'd jam this river precisely 0% of the time (unless he somehow gets there with KK)

What % of my range would chk/fold, well there's another interesting question. I guess not as much as you'd first think, which is why I thought the hand would go chk/chk a lot of the time, What i'd do with AK/Tx/Jx I imagine i'd very likely fold all those hands although there is a definite school of thought which will say AK/KJ are better hands to bluff with than the hand I had, although I'm not sure I agree.

How I'd have played, I'd prolly have checked the flop back and fold the turn when I inevitably lead, not 100% sure I'd have bluffed the river as played, although its a good play as he does have all sorts of value betting hands in his range by the river.

Interesting to hear whether Tom would have folded 6s 7s / Qx / AQ he did think for a while on the river.

dont believe him, he called a 3 bet and donked flop vs me so he must be terrible apparently !  :P

Haha yh, another spazzy piece of button clickery that went my way

don't think so, I felt like your value range was solely KK/TT/99 tbh, and I also think you would bet TT atleast 50% of the time otf because as you said Im gona float a dec % of the time on this board. Definitely didn't expect you to show up with a straight or a flush too often.

But I did think you could yourself be turning a better hand than mine into a bluff as I said at the time. Im probably just overthinking the whole hand and its not that interesting at all tbh.

guess that makes my play bad then.

I honestly thought you'd fold Qx and AQ pretty much everytime, wasn't sure about a flush but i dont think you have many flushes.

Look at the board. What air hand can he possibly have?

medium weak tho

 6d 4d

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