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Title: $4.50 180, deep, raise and shove, easy fold? Post by: jackinbeat on February 03, 2013, 11:53:44 PM Raiser playing 14/13 over 250 hands, all in playing 14/7 with 0, 3 bet over 90 hands. Do we jam to isolate, or take it the first 3 bet is QQ+ AK+, and sigh fold, and is it worth taking a race here, or is their range even narrower than this?
PokerStars Hand #93464585507: Tournament #684103725, $4.10+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2013/02/03 23:29:38 WET [2013/02/03 18:29:38 ET] Table '684103725 5' 9-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: sonicmatter (6738 in chips) Seat 4: OmGTrabantGT (8930 in chips) Seat 5: Cicho91 (3250 in chips) Seat 6: idispi (10161 in chips) Seat 7: depedretti (2071 in chips) Seat 8: sebbi60 (29327 in chips) Seat 9: Nicztarr (5076 in chips) sonicmatter: posts the ante 25 OmGTrabantGT: posts the ante 25 Cicho91: posts the ante 25 idispi: posts the ante 25 depedretti: posts the ante 25 sebbi60: posts the ante 25 Nicztarr: posts the ante 25 Nicztarr: posts small blind 150 sonicmatter: posts big blind 300 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to sonicmatter [Tc Ts] OmGTrabantGT: folds Cicho91: folds idispi: raises 300 to 600 depedretti: raises 1446 to 2046 and is all-in sebbi60: folds Nicztarr: folds Title: Re: $4.50 180, deep, raise and shove, easy fold? Post by: corkeye on February 04, 2013, 06:22:28 PM Its a little close, but in game in these spots I jam to isolate. Folding seems a little nitty with TT. Calling feels wrong also.
Title: Re: $4.50 180, deep, raise and shove, easy fold? Post by: rfgqqabc on February 04, 2013, 07:04:01 PM He has 7 bigs so presumably the jammer has some sort of hand but we beat his range which is probably like 66+ KQs+ AJ+
We have an easy shove unless they are disproportionately tight compare to player pool. For this to be correct we'd need thousands of hands at meaningful blind levels. Be aware of using hud stats from early stages later on, they simply won't be accurate. For example, I would rarely 3bet QJs on the button early on, but would choose to in late game, jamming say 18bb over a late position min. Peoples ranges are dynamic and as blinds grow you have to jam/rejam/call lighter. Hud stats won't tell a full story. Especially over a single 180 man. Generally we can use huds for opponent classification only at this stage, and can grow our reads from there. In some deep tournaments (Sunday Mil) we will gain a large sample and can start to make specific adjustments to our game. Basically what I'm saying is his 0.3% 3bet over 90 hands holds about as much value as that horse racing tip the guy who smells faintly of piss tells you about at the poker table. Title: Re: $4.50 180, deep, raise and shove, easy fold? Post by: MC on February 04, 2013, 07:26:07 PM Sort of close given the stats, but not folding.
Title: Re: $4.50 180, deep, raise and shove, easy fold? Post by: SubZERO on February 04, 2013, 07:43:01 PM Pretty clear shove imo
Title: Re: $4.50 180, deep, raise and shove, easy fold? Post by: jackinbeat on February 04, 2013, 11:04:16 PM Thanks for all the replies, I'm staked for these so grinding 10-20 a day ATM. This below is really helpful, I'm a total HEM stat reading fish tbh. The 4.50's are really nitty, well the regs are but just didn't know if it was a reg or not, this was the first time he'd 3 bet and I sigh folded. Results are unimportant I know, and still felt uncomfortably nitty after he showed QQ, so good to know that feeling was right.
What range do we shove here? I feel i'd have gone with JJ+, AQs+ too nitty from the sounds of the advice, but being a super nitty $4.5/180, felt right with that, my staker is a reg at these, and his friends plays these and higher, haven't had a chance to run it past him, and pretty sure he'd say fold, should I be questioning the advice, feel his nittyness is leaving me to short stacked too get through the long money/FT bubbles in good shape, not always but more than feels right. ;carlocitrone; He has 7 bigs so presumably the jammer has some sort of hand but we beat his range which is probably like 66+ KQs+ AJ+ We have an easy shove unless they are disproportionately tight compare to player pool. For this to be correct we'd need thousands of hands at meaningful blind levels. Be aware of using hud stats from early stages later on, they simply won't be accurate. For example, I would rarely 3bet QJs on the button early on, but would choose to in late game, jamming say 18bb over a late position min. Peoples ranges are dynamic and as blinds grow you have to jam/rejam/call lighter. Hud stats won't tell a full story. Especially over a single 180 man. Generally we can use huds for opponent classification only at this stage, and can grow our reads from there. In some deep tournaments (Sunday Mil) we will gain a large sample and can start to make specific adjustments to our game. Basically what I'm saying is his 0.3% 3bet over 90 hands holds about as much value as that horse racing tip the guy who smells faintly of piss tells you about at the poker table. |