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Title: are my plans flawed Post by: Ironside on February 06, 2013, 09:52:14 PM both of us have 2x average stack and i am lying in 3rd spot we are in the money with 105 players left
when checked too me on flop i plan to call a shove or 3 bet shove the reraise is my plan wrong PokerStars Hand #93620298711: Tournament #706010423, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2013/02/06 21:35:30 WET [2013/02/06 16:35:30 ET] Table '706010423 51' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: soulanan3 (131147 in chips) Seat 2: Kepalas89 (40480 in chips) Seat 3: ouchbadbeat (60371 in chips) Seat 4: DPHG (77796 in chips) Seat 5: ivica5261 (75334 in chips) Seat 6: shanrock999 (14312 in chips) Seat 7: G.GERMANO (89095 in chips) Seat 8: pAAddy (35388 in chips) Seat 9: Ironside (97543 in chips) soulanan3: posts the ante 150 Kepalas89: posts the ante 150 ouchbadbeat: posts the ante 150 DPHG: posts the ante 150 ivica5261: posts the ante 150 shanrock999: posts the ante 150 G.GERMANO: posts the ante 150 pAAddy: posts the ante 150 Ironside: posts the ante 150 DPHG: posts small blind 800 ivica5261: posts big blind 1600 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Ironside [ Ah] shanrock999: folds G.GERMANO: raises 1776 to 3376 pAAddy: folds Ironside: raises 7824 to 11200 soulanan3: folds Kepalas89: folds ouchbadbeat: folds DPHG: folds ivica5261: folds G.GERMANO: calls 7824 *** FLOP *** [ ] G.GERMANO: checks Ironside: bets 16000 G.GERMANO: raises 21412 to 37412 Title: Re: are my plans flawed Post by: SubZERO on February 07, 2013, 12:09:49 AM you only got dealt one card, and no flop. fix HH?
I do think your 3bet is too big regardless though Title: Re: are my plans flawed Post by: Ironside on February 07, 2013, 12:15:43 AM strange
i just copy and pasted it i will request a hand history for the hand Title: Re: are my plans flawed Post by: JK on February 07, 2013, 12:18:50 AM you only got dealt one card, and no flop. fix HH? I do think your 3bet is too big regardless though Yeah, something like 7145 Title: Re: are my plans flawed Post by: Ironside on February 07, 2013, 12:20:21 AM PokerStars Hand #93620298711: Tournament #706010423, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2013/02/06 21:35:30 WET [2013/02/06 16:35:30 ET]
Table '706010423 51' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: soulanan3 (131147 in chips) Seat 2: Kepalas89 (40480 in chips) Seat 3: ouchbadbeat (60371 in chips) Seat 4: DPHG (77796 in chips) Seat 5: ivica5261 (75334 in chips) Seat 6: shanrock999 (14312 in chips) Seat 7: G.GERMANO (89095 in chips) Seat 8: pAAddy (35388 in chips) Seat 9: Ironside (97543 in chips) soulanan3: posts the ante 150 Kepalas89: posts the ante 150 ouchbadbeat: posts the ante 150 DPHG: posts the ante 150 ivica5261: posts the ante 150 shanrock999: posts the ante 150 G.GERMANO: posts the ante 150 pAAddy: posts the ante 150 Ironside: posts the ante 150 DPHG: posts small blind 800 ivica5261: posts big blind 1600 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Ironside [Kc Ah] shanrock999: folds G.GERMANO: raises 1776 to 3376 pAAddy: folds Ironside: raises 7824 to 11200 soulanan3: folds Kepalas89: folds ouchbadbeat: folds DPHG: folds ivica5261: folds G.GERMANO: calls 7824 *** FLOP *** [4c 5c 2c] G.GERMANO: checks Ironside: bets 16000 G.GERMANO: raises 21412 to 37412 Ironside: raises 48781 to 86193 and is all-in G.GERMANO: calls 40333 and is all-in Uncalled bet (8448) returned to Ironside really want to know if i am right to get my chips in here should i be checking back on flop what hands i can get too fold apart from bluffs Title: Re: are my plans flawed Post by: Ironside on February 07, 2013, 12:25:26 AM I do think your 3bet is too big regardless though yeah your totally right there should of been too 9500 was just hoping not too get in all in preflop with a top 10 stack in a race situation or at worse against AA or KK and i have trouble folding AK especially when in the money and trying to slowly build a stack to put me in a good spot too win Title: Re: are my plans flawed Post by: JK on February 07, 2013, 02:33:47 AM This spot is really icky, and mainly stems from the oversized bets. As I said earlier, pre is way way way too big. We have position and a very good hand, we WANT the villain to call. Sometimes we dont even mind a raise imo, but thats dependent on their stats etc.
Also, your flop sizing is too big. Betting 2/3 pot when checked to here basically puts us in a horrid spot where we have to get it in. If this is your plan then fair enough, but by betting so much we're just gonna freeze out all the bluffs he might want to take off with, but also make him fold worse over/flush draw combos. We have decent equity vs his value range though (ie he can never really have KK/AA so we have at least 2 overs + gutshot + flush draw vs all his pairs), so dont mind bet/shove that much really. Title: Re: are my plans flawed Post by: pleno1 on February 07, 2013, 02:39:45 AM flop: pokerstove vs his get in range.
pre flop: 3bet is wayyyy too big, 8200-8800 Title: Re: are my plans flawed Post by: Ironside on February 07, 2013, 02:47:45 AM Cheers guys I was just checking put him on qq with qc thought I had repped to big for any other hand to call me and was 57% against that he actually had smaller over pair so I was still 57% I didn't get there and blew chance of a good score
Notes on the pre over bet taken Title: Re: are my plans flawed Post by: Ironside on February 07, 2013, 03:23:57 AM Still thinking about the hand only other hand that make sense that I would be in bad shape against is ackx I don't think a made flush as I think I fold out aq pre
Title: Re: are my plans flawed Post by: PutYouOnAK/AQ on February 07, 2013, 06:08:33 PM Other than the 3bet being too large I think you played this hand fine. If he has a small pair then you certainly dont fold out aq or probably aj so vs bare a-clubs we are in good shape as well. FWIW don't be results orientated, Villain has played this hand horrifically!
Title: Re: are my plans flawed Post by: Ironside on February 07, 2013, 06:16:35 PM Other than the 3bet being too large I think you played this hand fine. If he has a small pair then you certainly dont fold out aq or probably aj so vs bare a-clubs we are in good shape as well. FWIW don't be results orientated, Villain has played this hand horrifically! cheers trying not to be results orientated was just wondering if i could of gotten away from the hand with having 2x tourny average would i of found better spots but as you can see i got lumped on a big stack table in these std raises dont get through you have sit and wait for hands or be prepared to play alot of flops |