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Title: 500nl Zoom, Thin Turn shove? Post by: pleno1 on February 12, 2013, 11:06:57 PM PokerStars Zoom Hand #93952292055: Hold'em No Limit ($2.50/$5.00) - 2013/02/12 23:52:36 CET [2013/02/12 17:52:36 ET]
Table 'Lambda Velorum' 6-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: Bwd26 ($507.50 in chips) Seat 2: pads1161 ($1849.19 in chips) Seat 3: BKA12 ($511.26 in chips) Seat 4: Fairy verde ($257.50 in chips) Seat 5: DonJanbo ($654.02 in chips) Seat 6: dynamicnag ($2458.72 in chips) pads1161: posts small blind $2.50 BKA12: posts big blind $5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pads1161 [Th Kc] Fairy verde: folds DonJanbo: folds dynamicnag: folds Bwd26: folds pads1161: raises $10 to $15 BKA12: raises $30 to $45 pads1161: calls $30 *** FLOP *** [2d 9d Ts] pads1161: checks BKA12: bets $52.50 pads1161: raises $82.50 to $135 BKA12: calls $82.50 *** TURN *** [2d 9d Ts] [Ac] pads1161: Readless, thoughts here? Title: Re: 500nl Zoom, Thin Turn shove? Post by: PutYouOnAK/AQ on February 12, 2013, 11:44:23 PM Pleno you always post the most complicated PHA's!
If we're shoving here aren't we bluiffing nearly all the time? We may get folds from jj-kk but how often do you expect to get called by worse? Title: Re: 500nl Zoom, Thin Turn shove? Post by: pleno1 on February 12, 2013, 11:55:17 PM Pleno you always post the most complicated PHA's! If we're shoving here aren't we bluiffing nearly all the time? We may get folds from jj-kk but how often do you expect to get called by worse? well if something is simple, why would i post it? :S i dont expect 9x/10x to fold ott. Title: Re: 500nl Zoom, Thin Turn shove? Post by: dwayne110 on February 13, 2013, 12:04:37 AM He's reraised you pre, with a stack of $511 to your $1849, so we have to assume strong a strong range. Hands he 'might' fold (JJ,QQ) but I reckon he's turning up with AA/AK/AQ more often here, particularly given the flat to your raise on the flop. So I think most of the time you're bluffing into his range of hands on the turn. A turn shove is often going to be interpreted as an attempt to rep the Ace, or semi-bluffing Q-J type hands. If you are continuing I think a bet of $175-180 achieves the same as the all in, as to him you'll look pot committed anyway?
Title: Re: 500nl Zoom, Thin Turn shove? Post by: outragous76 on February 13, 2013, 12:07:30 AM Pretty su rePleno is looking to get called by worse, not so much fold better
I persoanlly think you need dynamic for that so rush aint the place imo Title: Re: 500nl Zoom, Thin Turn shove? Post by: PutYouOnAK/AQ on February 13, 2013, 12:17:19 AM Disagree that villain will show up with ak/aq nearly always gonna fold these otf as these hands have v little equity vs our perceived range.
Title: Re: 500nl Zoom, Thin Turn shove? Post by: rfgqqabc on February 13, 2013, 10:53:34 AM Fold pre???
Title: Re: 500nl Zoom, Thin Turn shove? Post by: skolsuper on February 13, 2013, 11:24:49 AM Yeah turn shove definitely doesn't work as a bluff, so title is accurate. In general the bar needs to be set pretty high for a value bet as you need to be called by more worse hands than better (there could be some merit in betting for protection). Since villain can have a very large number of better hands that call, I think this is very unlikely to be a good spot for a thin value bet, even if all his 9x and Tx are calling (also unlikely). I way prefer check/fold, as imo check/raises get more respect in 3b pots, or if you really think you're good most of the time then check/shove is better than just shoving imo.
Also r/folding pre, might 4b/f versus a lot of people at normal 6m but I feel like at zoom there aren't many 3b/f's about, although I haven't played it much. Title: Re: 500nl Zoom, Thin Turn shove? Post by: pleno1 on February 13, 2013, 12:43:43 PM zoom500 plays way different to any game, ever. KTo is in my 4betting range as standard, but i defend wider vs these hero's.
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