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Title: shove or fold? Post by: Ant040689 on February 13, 2013, 04:00:57 AM ***** Hand History for Game 12663054342 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $22 USD Buy-in Trny:79048119 Level:10 Blinds-Antes(200/400 -40) - Wednesday, February 13, 03:44:49 GMT 2013 Table $2,000 Gtd (3009419) Table #5 (Real Money) Seat 1 is the button Total number of players : 9/10 Seat 8: C_957 ( 9,833 ) Seat 6: Motorfan ( 10,293 ) Seat 1: RShacklef0rd ( 8,150 ) Seat 7: SpeweyStuey ( 8,513 ) Seat 9: anupreturns ( 8,913 ) Seat 10: azukath8 ( 8,583 ) Seat 5: chilly629 ( 5,009 ) Seat 3: trzcinaaa. ( 16,443 ) Seat 4: uwe032086 ( 24,898 ) Trny:79048119 Level:10 Blinds-Antes(200/400 -40) RShacklef0rd posts ante [40] trzcinaaa. posts ante [40] uwe032086 posts ante [40] chilly629 posts ante [40] Motorfan posts ante [40] SpeweyStuey posts ante [40] C_957 posts ante [40] anupreturns posts ante [40] azukath8 posts ante [40] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to anupreturns [ 9s 8s ] chilly629 folds Motorfan folds SpeweyStuey folds C_957 folds anupreturns ? Standard slowie tourn 25 left with 17 paid. $22f Shove or fold? Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: rbc_mike on February 13, 2013, 08:01:08 AM Don't really like shoving ~22bb with anything, especially not 8s 9s. How passive are the blinds? Would be looking to min raise/fold with this stack size; if you think you are going to get reshoved on alot by the button or blinds then this makes it more of a fold.
Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: Ant040689 on February 13, 2013, 09:41:45 AM I wonder how wrong the shove is?
Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: MC on February 13, 2013, 10:19:06 AM Definitely don't shove. Open or fold.
It's probably somewhere around neutral EV to shove, obv gonna depend on calling ranges Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: Ant040689 on February 13, 2013, 10:27:29 AM right, nice one. 15 bbs is the highest bbs amount to open shove from this position, to standard calling ranges?
Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: MC on February 13, 2013, 10:45:11 AM right, nice one. 15 bbs is the highest bbs amount to open shove from this position, to standard calling ranges? I mean there's no strict rule of thumb, I would happily shove 16bbs here with some hands, but jamming here would be like jamming 1500 at 50/100 which presumably you would never do. Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: TL900 on February 13, 2013, 01:38:17 PM r/f
Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: outragous76 on February 13, 2013, 01:40:07 PM Ant
Why would you want to shove 22bbs with this hand? Really wondering on your thought process? Agree with TL, r/f Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: pleno1 on February 13, 2013, 04:20:50 PM limp
Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: TL900 on February 13, 2013, 04:22:48 PM Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: Ant040689 on February 13, 2013, 06:47:07 PM Ant Why would you want to shove 22bbs with this hand? Really wondering on your thought process? Agree with TL, r/f Seemingly a brain fart sir, I don't go about shoving hands like this too often as I really would have no money left to spaz. I don't like inflating the pot to be re raised here as they take control of the aggression of the pot and I don't often flop.something where I am feeling very comfortable, as in there is normally always one over. I really didn't think the open limp with a hand like this was viable at all from a winning player out of snobbery for just never open limping! Ha. Definitely has its merits here though. The pot is less inflated, despite the bet behind and your hand plays well multiway. So you got in on the relative cheap to potentially flop massive or go home. Will be torn between the 2.1 bbs open and the open limp now, tyty guys. Need to use this section of the forum more often. Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: outragous76 on February 13, 2013, 06:52:42 PM Most important thing when considering opening these hands is the stacks and activity behind.
If they are all tight and playing 20 bbs it's an easy open. In this spot if you feel the guy with 12bbs has been looking for a spot then it's a trivial fold for me. Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: Ant040689 on February 13, 2013, 06:58:54 PM Most important thing when considering opening these hands is the stacks and activity behind. If they are all tight and playing 20 bbs it's an easy open. In this spot if you feel the guy with 12bbs has been looking for a spot then it's a trivial fold for me. That must have been the vibe on reflection, I thought a lot of activity behind, but I really don't want to fold so I lol shipped. I think the limp then is ok? Or just welcoming the ship behind? Can we balance this out by open limping Aces here? Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: outragous76 on February 13, 2013, 07:04:44 PM Most important thing when considering opening these hands is the stacks and activity behind. If they are all tight and playing 20 bbs it's an easy open. In this spot if you feel the guy with 12bbs has been looking for a spot then it's a trivial fold for me. That must have been the vibe on reflection, I thought a lot of activity behind, but I really don't want to fold so I lol shipped. I think the limp then is ok? Or just welcoming the ship behind? Can we balance this out by open limping Aces here? Id stick to ABC and just open raise, limping requires some very specific thought process post flop, and no, Im not limping AA ever. Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: EvilPie on February 13, 2013, 07:24:13 PM Oh ffs!! Are we allowed to limp these days? Title: Re: shove or fold? Post by: Ant040689 on February 13, 2013, 07:32:00 PM Most important thing when considering opening these hands is the stacks and activity behind. If they are all tight and playing 20 bbs it's an easy open. In this spot if you feel the guy with 12bbs has been looking for a spot then it's a trivial fold for me. That must have been the vibe on reflection, I thought a lot of activity behind, but I really don't want to fold so I lol shipped. I think the limp then is ok? Or just welcoming the ship behind? Can we balance this out by open limping Aces here? Id stick to ABC and just open raise, limping requires some very specific thought process post flop, and no, Im not limping AA ever. I find myself doing crazy shit all the time though, on the exploratory vibe. Think its good to know where the limits are in the game you are playing at the expense of some disposable chips. So will be seeing what the limping game in this spot as to offer me. Have people thought about the open limp/raise bluff pre flop. How can you not have Aces there in most spots? |