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Title: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: ShipItHollaBallaaa on February 18, 2013, 10:41:27 PM Hi guys,
My first strat post on here. Don't rly have any pther poker playing friends to ask and I've seen some v good strategy posts on here so would like some of your guys' insight thanks. Villain is a reg playing 16/14/5 How would you have played it? Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 2107307 (http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2107307) DeucesCracked Poker Videos (http://www.deucescracked.com/?referrer=converter_phpbb) Hand History Converter (http://www.handconverter.com) MP1: $50.00 MP2: $40.58 CO: $17.50 BTN: $21.25 SB: $51.44 BB: $81.96 UTG: $26.05 Hero (UTG+1): $71.84 Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+1 with T(http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif) A(http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif) 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, MP1 calls $1.50, 5 folds Flop: ($3.75) T(http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif) Q(http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif) A(http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif) (2 players) Hero bets $2.50, MP1 raises to $7.50, Hero calls $5 Turn: ($18.75) 5(http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif) (2 players) Hero checks, MP1 bets $10.75, Hero calls $10.75 River: ($40.25) 7(http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif) (2 players) Hero checks, MP1 bets $30.25 all in, Hero folds Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: sedds on February 18, 2013, 10:54:12 PM I think its a folds vs vs a 16/14's flatting range here, he probably has all combos of TT/QQ some of AQ/AA. Even if you add AK and some Ax suited hands its still looks ugly equity wise. He would have to be bluffing a decent % with pocket pairs which seems extremely unlikely at 50nl without history, and obviously wouldn't be a great board to do it on.
Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: ShipItHollaBallaaa on February 18, 2013, 11:08:03 PM Cheers sedds, so you're advocating a fold on the flop?
Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: rfgqqabc on February 18, 2013, 11:18:11 PM In FR I'm folding somewhere, not sure where but definitely somewhere. Prob river when we can remove AK etc imo. This is presuming a reg woudnt vb AK on the river, not qualified to comment there really.
Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: sedds on February 18, 2013, 11:23:46 PM np, yeah i think his flatting range here is going to be very tight, and the board really hits your perceived range so even if he did have some FDs/bluffable hands i don't think he would raise them in this spot. Combo wise we do block TT and AA and he may not flat KJ pre (though that would mean he doesn't flat QT either), but i think even though he doesn't rep that many hands, i think his bluff frequency is going to be extremely low.
Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: sedds on February 18, 2013, 11:27:23 PM In FR I'm folding somewhere, not sure where but definitely somewhere. Prob river when we can remove AK etc imo. This is presuming a reg woudnt vb AK on the river, not qualified to comment there really. Yeah i guess AK isn't impossible, though i think it would bad vs on this board vs anyone decent. Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: jgcblack on February 18, 2013, 11:37:06 PM I'm going to say its a call on the flop, a call on the turn, and a fold on the river...
I just don't see him having anything worse when he raises+triples too often. There just aren't enough Ahrt Jh type combos to make it ok imo. He definitely seems nittier than most, I'd be tempted to peel this river the 'first' time.... mainly to understand what kind of reg he is (with the possibility we're good here some %) Obviously on the tighter side of life. also - possibly fold pre... this would be the ultimate bottom of my opening range for value with Ahigh.. Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: sedds on February 19, 2013, 12:16:21 AM Even with an really optimistic range including some suited aces/AK and bluffs with KK/JJ our equity is still only about 50%. Though i think his range is much stronger than that. Any sort of pure bluff seems really unlikely in a FR game at 50nl in early positions, especially on a board that smashes an EP range. Vs a wider flatting range that includes more QJ/JT decent bluffing hands I would be more inclined to call down, but villain is probably multitabling/mass tabling and isn't going to be flatting much more than PPs/strong aces or planning to get out of line
Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: jgcblack on February 19, 2013, 01:01:07 AM Even with an really optimistic range including some suited aces/AK and bluffs with KK/JJ our equity is still only about 50%. Though i think his range is much stronger than that. Any sort of pure bluff seems really unlikely in a FR game at 50nl in early positions, especially on a board that smashes an EP range. Vs a wider flatting range that includes more QJ/JT decent bluffing hands I would be more inclined to call down, but villain is probably multitabling/mass tabling and isn't going to be flatting much more than PPs/strong aces or planning to get out of line This, he just has QQ... :D Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: TL900 on February 19, 2013, 01:04:51 AM play 6max imo.
Also 16/14/5 for FR isn't tight at all if anything its on the loose side. Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: ShipItHollaBallaaa on February 19, 2013, 01:20:57 AM He definitely seems nittier than most, I'd be tempted to peel this river the 'first' time.... mainly to understand what kind of reg he is (with the possibility we're good here some %) Obviously on the tighter side of life. also - possibly fold pre... this would be the ultimate bottom of my opening range for value with Ahigh.. I've got 5k hands on him...he's fairly straight forward but decent enough reg. play 6max imo. Lol why do you say that?Think sedds has pretty much nailed this hand tbh, cheers mate. Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: shipitonetime on February 19, 2013, 02:08:04 AM play 6max imo. Also 16/14/5 for FR isn't tight at all if anything its on the loose side. What are your stats shipitholla? Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: ShipItHollaBallaaa on February 19, 2013, 04:31:11 AM Only 24/18/5
I dont really like playing too loose tbh. Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: JustinSayne on February 19, 2013, 08:27:06 AM Fold flop, its nitring and everyone has it.
Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: jgcblack on February 19, 2013, 08:42:26 AM play 6max imo. Also 16/14/5 for FR isn't tight at all if anything its on the loose side. What are your stats shipitholla? Definitely play 6max and sack off the nitring games. They're a joke. Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: pleno1 on February 19, 2013, 08:53:37 AM lots of money in full ring, don't listen to them.
fold flop though, nobody is bluffing here, if he has ajhh then ok wow he got semi bluffed. Title: Re: Flop 2 pair facing raise Post by: SuuPRlim on February 19, 2013, 10:43:35 AM yup fold flop we are defo behind to any sort of value range and we have no "gin" turns/rivers, if he has AJ/AKhh like pads says wp gg here's your money.
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