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DTD300 deepstack. My image is on the looser side I guess, opened quite a few hands in LP when folded to me but not getting OOL at all or getting many spots.

Played a couple pots without SD, one against villain. Also folded to a 3bet from villain once, when OOP. Villain is playing very aggro using his chip stack well. Saw him 3bet a bit and 4bet click fold.

We open to 6k at 1.5k/3k with  7d 8d from BTN Playing 117k , Villain covers.

Villain 3bets SB to 16.5k....

We call (1st Discussion point  ;popcorn;) --- Reasons for calling are -  I just thought his re-steal range was v wide (how he'd been playing) + the stacks were good for him to 5bet bluff all in, so peeling IP with a hand that flops well and will flop draws I can aggressively semi- bluff with 34bbs back, seemed OK. 87ss Is by far the worst hand I would do that with. Normally it will be like 87ss+ and Suited broadway. Some of the time, importantly, not all the time and only if I think It's a good spot. EG, aggressive player with high/v high re-steal from SB/BB, IP, heads up, that is able to identify light 4bets, use his stack and 5bet all in lightish. Is this a mistake? Anyway, I'm sure you will all tell me.

Villain also gives some speechplay whilst I was dwelling for 20 secs... Strange one :D... ''26,300/call, 26,300/fold, What's it gonna be?'' Not sure what to make of that. Felt like he was planning on 5bet shoving for some reason in my head, maybe read it wrong.

-- FLOP --

 9c  7c   5d

Villain checks, I bet 15,300, (thoughts?) I'm assuming villain never has a flush draw here as he would lead like 95% of the time with his equity I think? My plan was to fold out all broadway that is almost certainly check folding this flop, Apart from maybe JT with the  Jc that might CC? Who knows? Planning on shoving if villain check raises here, that's why my bet size Is that small to try and induce. I doubt he will do this very often but meh.

--- TURN ---

 Tc

Villain checks, I check back (thoughts?). I just thought it was check or Bet/call. Guess i wimped out a bit but still couldn't really pinpoint a range the villain had? So I thought I'll check. See a river and re-evaluate.

--- RIVER ---

 8h

Villain tanks for like 90 secs at least and then bets 36,300. I tank fold :( (thoughts?). Felt like he was at it SO BAD. Thought about jamming,calling and folding. Then again thought he could easily have AJ, JJ, or even JT. So, in the end, decided I'll take my 20BBs and live to 3betshove another day. Thought he could turn hands I can't even beat into a bluff too, also he could have a 6 that's flopped pair plus and CC'd? MEH, guess I'd love to know what you think about every street gents!

Sorry about the length of this just wanted to put in my thought process so you could identify and crush any flaws  :)up

Thanks for reading, guess not sure about any street fully, would really appreciate any help!

  

Really don't feel like you're deep enough to peel pre. Most of the time you're just gonna miss flop. Your stack is awkward in the sense you cannot 4 bet jam. Nitty fold pre if you think bb will get ool?

I guess so, few peeps I've asked have said this too, how deep before you think it's OK?  Was deffo not going to just play fit or fold postflop, probs going to try and make villains life difficult on some flop textures when I completely brick by floating 1 or bluff raising flop. I thought 34 bbs was just enough to bluff raise a c-bet and still have like 20bbs left if it all goes Pete Tong lol. BB wouldn't ever get OOL I don't think, seemed v peely but think he'll play pretty straightforward too. But yh, don't mind the fold at all if he's going to mess about as well.

wouldnt open fold, but r/f seems better than peeling i agree. limping fine too imo

Limping to call any raise? never really tried limping this deep tbf

If you think it's justifiable peelin pre then I think pile will be ok. Peeling definitely not advisable because of flop spr

yeah, I don't think you get raised light much if at all though tbh, which gives us better implied odds to limp/call pre.

Piling pre  way too big and high variance imo pads

How deep for peeling to become ok? Agreed though, made the river decision twice as bad because it left my stack in tatters if I called incorrectly OTR.

Yep this, jam or fold pre usually fold unless you think he's going a bit mental.

Turn is pretty close but with right image/opponent I'd just bet/call it off, we have plenty of equity and most of the time when he c/jams he has overs with FD or some nonsense.

River is pretty close if he value bets sets but I'm calling. He's repping J7/AJ but mostly he's just not repping very much and is trying to get you to fold cos there's 4 to a straight on the board and you look fairly weak.

Rupert would you agree that if you bet the flop you should be betting the turn? I think overpairs are part of villains range here even with the flop check and he will have a hard time calling off on turn and river barrels (with the T turn, and say a brick river).

I prefer check back the flop tbh, but once he's bet I think he should bet the turn also.

i agree

really think we should fold pre-flop in this tournament, think you're massively over-complicating a simple spot because someone seemingly decent has made aggro action against you. You've opened the button with a nice 8high hand, he's re-raised, we only 30bigs deep so we fold and fight back with a better hand imo.


See just a bit over complicated, you prolly can eek a lil profit out with a plan like this cos he'll be OOL pre-flop just about enough and your hand is JUST about equitable enough but I think keeping it simple and playing lower variance prolly ftw in these fields, imo of course.

I REALLY do think that going back to basics is ftw these days in tournaments when i) no1 folds and ii) people can go off their heads at any moment.

In a way it's a similar spot to Langley's with the 77, "edge pass" I think is the phrase when a spot is profitable but future spots are going to be so much more so. For sure villian is going to be 3 betting wide here, but honestly how soft is this tournament, you were going to have to flop pretty golden to be able to win this hand post even in position.

What was your plan for A K Q J and club rivers, if lead into or checked to?

If you think that then yeah should probably either bet twice and fold to turn jam or just check back flop (better). I think that's pretty unlikely tho most people aren't v tricky

That's a lot of scenarios to go through lol, it's also hard for me to say, I'm just looking to re-evaluate the situation on the river and trusting I make the right decision using the information I have and the added bonus on getting to act last and seeing what the villain does. The only one I know for certain without betsizing, timing and general reads is a Jx makes me a straight  ;karabiner; so, if checked to I'm betting 1/2 pot and if villain leads I'm shoving. But when I'm calling pre, I'm always looking for a different way to win the pot. After what everyone said though I totally agree the SPR is just not good at all and there are better spots in this tournament to find for sure. Thanks for all the replies.

I'm kind of down with all this abbreviation stuff, but I have no idea what some of these mean here!

can't gather thoughts here

ftw = for the win
SPR = stack to pot ratio, as in the ratio of your stack to the size of the pot, if the pot is 1000 and your stack is 2000 you have an "SPR" of 2.

It's the difference between ChipEV and $EV. Lets spose you have a 100k stack and you make a move preflop with a ChipEV of +15k, if your $equity in the tournament was £1,000 I promise you increasing your stack by 15% will literally never make your $Equity  £1,150, it'll likely increase in very marginally. however if you have to risk your whole stack for it then the cost of the move going "pete tong" is £1,000 as you'll be out of the tournament.

So actually its a +EV spot theoretically but it's losing you actual money. Obviously due to metagame/gameflow/table draw or whatever you might every so often be obligated to take one of these spots but 30bb deep with 8high facing a 3bet from the blinds against your BTN open just seems like it can't ever be one of them, just like TL's 77 was nothing except a fold imo.

Obv in a cash game w/e do it take the £150 in equity and re-load if it goes tits up.

Thanks, much appreciated. How many BB's would we need for it to be acceptable to flat in this spot then?

Also, what would be our 3bet flatting range with our stack as it is, facing this action?

45bbs+

Probs don't really have a peeling range 35bbs deep. I'm jamming stuff like 77 and KQo ATs etc. Probs only flatting with some premiums sometimes and hands like JTs and QJs that flop really well. Perhaps the occasional 99/TT flat.

Can't think of many hands that you can justify peeling with that it's not better to just pile 35bbs deep. Eg KQo and 77 and ATo - much better just jamming all these hands than defending and trying to play a pot with them.