Title: Do we elect to use all of our chips? - The Vic 1/2 Post by: Derbylad on March 07, 2013, 05:03:59 PM Playing 6-7 handed at the Vic. The tables been going for long before i arrive and within the first hour we're perceived as loose aggressive, valuing our hands and getting through a few bluffs with 1/2 hero calls.
We've bluffed MP a few times when in position, however he seems a capable player. It's around 4am though and a lot of people are wavering. I've tried to steal quite a few rivers so there is a slight dynamic to the hand. Stack sizes: Hero: ~£600 MP: ~£400 Dealt to hero in BB: 7c 8c MP raises to 8... 3 callers Hero: calls Pot [£41] Flop: 2c 9d Jc Hero: Checks MP Bets 25 Folds to Hero... Hero: Calls [Pot: 91] Turn: Tc Hero: Checks MP: Checks River: 8s Hero: Bets 61 MP: Raises to 145 [Pot: £297] MP has ~£200 behind Hero: ?? Title: Re: Do we elect to use all of our chips? - The Vic 1/2 Post by: millidonk on March 07, 2013, 05:40:11 PM Meh, I'm just calling. Can't see anyone I deem as capable paying me off with worse here.
Title: Re: Do we elect to use all of our chips? - The Vic 1/2 Post by: zerofive on March 07, 2013, 06:21:17 PM I checkraise this flop sometimes as villain has to have specifically Ac Kc, Ac Qc or JJ to have us in rough shape having opened UTG. The problem I guess is that we rep a lot of draws, especially given that our history has bluffs in it. But we can get him to fold some hands and we have 12 outs when he jams.
The more I look at it, the less I like this ^^ at 4am. Earlier in the night it might work more often/be more beneficial for image reasons. Call is fine. Sometimes I lead the turn to get value from Ac combos like AJ, AA, etc. A lot of these hands unlikely to raise, or bet when checked to. This can prevent some disasters like getting zero streets of value when the river comes a fourth club or a fourth straight card, or being in a situation where our hand looks quite faceup when we check the flush card and bet the river. I think it looks a little bluffier if we bet the turn as well, not many live players would expect someone to donk into them when they turn a big hand, they expect you to do exactly what you've done. The river is quite interesting. He's not supposed to have a flush, but he can certainly have a QUEEN which would raise for value. He can also have some bluffs if he thinks you have a fold in you, because he has a queen way more often than you do, and he can use clubs to get you to fold hands he can't beat. I wouldn't expect him to check back KQ on the turn. I wouldn't expect him to check back a flush on the turn but he's more likely to check a flush than a straight, so he has a hand we can beat a lot but he doesn't very often have a hand we can get another value bet from. In summary, I really can't see him calling with a worse hand so I just call and see his cards and expect to win the pot a high % of the time. Title: Re: Do we elect to use all of our chips? - The Vic 1/2 Post by: Patonius2000 on March 07, 2013, 07:55:25 PM C/r flop is not good this deep with 8 hi and no nut outs. Probably doesnt have napkins betting in to 4 players on this texture. B/f and cc are both fine.
C/r river for sure, flat as played. Title: Re: Do we elect to use all of our chips? - The Vic 1/2 Post by: pleno1 on March 07, 2013, 08:04:10 PM c/r river is good.
as played, cawl river and expect to be good. would probably donk turn as well :) Title: Re: Do we elect to use all of our chips? - The Vic 1/2 Post by: cambridgealex on March 07, 2013, 10:03:56 PM Donk flop imo
Title: Re: Do we elect to use all of our chips? - The Vic 1/2 Post by: SuuPRlim on March 07, 2013, 10:05:45 PM Yh, I'd lead or c/c the flop, like leading the best - take control of the betting. I don't actually hate c/r a £25 bet as I think thats a weak hannd nearly always, although generally I don't like c/r the flop we've got bad reversed implied odds inflating a pot with this hand OOP. No point c/r folding this hand as we've got plenty equity enough to call and there are way way better hands to "bluff" with that we'll have should we ever feel compelled to bluff here (dont think we should btw)
Lead turn imo think its a much better line than chk/calling or chk/raising, agree after turn chk/chk chk/raising the river is the play as we've played it click call pretty quick and dont waste too much brain power on it, need a bit more dynamic/history/something than you have to be able to 3b jam here spesh after the chk turn/raise river line from him is pretty polarising imo as your range defo includes the NF on the end. Title: Re: Do we elect to use all of our chips? - The Vic 1/2 Post by: GreekStein on March 08, 2013, 09:24:10 AM C/r flop is not good this deep with 8 hi and no nut outs. Probably doesnt have napkins betting in to 4 players on this texture. B/f and cc are both fine. C/r river for sure, flat as played. Wins |