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Title: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: Oxford_HRV on March 23, 2013, 02:46:38 PM usual day to day scenario
110 players left AVG: 18BBS we got 16 of them we get dealt Ahrt Qd in the small UTG+1 goes all in for 5bb HJ isolates all in for 29bb are we usually flippin/crushing/crushed here? ~ is the majority calling or folding Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: MC on March 23, 2013, 03:16:55 PM Kinda depends on what stacks he's shoving into. Highly doubt I'm folding though.
Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: dwayne110 on March 24, 2013, 02:48:31 AM Given this is a satellite, how much does this change our strategy here/make the call closer, as underpairs to our hand are a high part of the re-shovers range here? Perhaps better spots to make a move ourselves with 16 bb's left, given he has us covered? I admit I think I'm rarely finding the fold button myself here(!), but from a satellite 'survival' strategy point of view is it correct play with 15-20 bb's?
Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: JustinSayne on March 24, 2013, 07:23:31 PM This is a snap fold I think
Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: SubZERO on March 24, 2013, 11:07:10 PM The fact that this is a satellite doesnt really alter it for me here, we are way off the places and need to get chips
All the stack sizes would help, but without any reads I'm calling here although I do think its sorta close. Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: david3103 on March 25, 2013, 09:25:05 AM We're a long way short of the seats but calling a reshove from someone who covers us seems optimistic to me.
Would reshove this myself in HJ though Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: BulldozerD on March 25, 2013, 11:20:44 AM prob call Ak but folding this
Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: Oxford_HRV on March 25, 2013, 03:06:37 PM Kinda depends on what stacks he's shoving into. Highly doubt I'm folding though. everyone was circa avg, 12/20bb. BB was playing 7bb but that was about it off the top of my head. seems after a little review its still close on call/fold really i felt the same as dwayne110 that he would have 66+ at 75/80%ish of the time.. i really think it might be personal decision here on if we keep grinding, or is 16bbs ok to risk in here to win just about 40bb total i decided we still want chips and it looked like we could scoop a huge pot, so clicked call and the guy flipped KK and held. excluding the result this time it still looks really flippy to me on call/fold. next time i may opt to fold. ty guys Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: mondatoo on March 25, 2013, 03:50:54 PM If utgs jamming say 40% then to call here with AQ you need hj to be jamming 55+, ATos, A9s.
If they're both competent then it's a really easy rejam as utg should be jamming wider thus so will hj be. Never played these low stakes sats but would assume std is pretty bad so it's bordering on a fold but it's really close and in game I'd probs have jammed. Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: MC on March 25, 2013, 03:53:32 PM meh, not folding
Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: Doobs on March 25, 2013, 04:13:20 PM Optimistic to expect two competent people in a $5 sat. I think it is a fold in a sat and not going to worry about it too much. Would shove this in the hijack but first mover so important in sats.
Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: MC on March 25, 2013, 04:21:10 PM If utgs jamming say 40% then to call here with AQ you need hj to be jamming 55+, ATos, A9s. If they're both competent then it's a really easy rejam as utg should be jamming wider thus so will hj be. Never played these low stakes sats but would assume std is pretty bad so it's bordering on a fold but it's really close and in game I'd probs have jammed. If they're incompetent they probs get it in even wider, ergo more of a shove Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: mondatoo on March 25, 2013, 04:28:12 PM Optimistic to expect two competent people in a $5 sat. I think it is a fold in a sat and not going to worry about it too much. Would shove this in the hijack but first mover so important in sats. Ye obv, thought hero itt would find the info interesting for future reference if he was to find himself in a similar spot in a different comp. Would be beyond terrible to fold AQ in hj here. I think it's close because if we are assuming hj isn't competent then I'd say there's a fairly high % of the time were he's guna flat AA/KK and if we take this out of his range and say he's jamming 77-QQ AJ+ ATs+ then AQ is a call. Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: mondatoo on March 25, 2013, 04:31:10 PM If utgs jamming say 40% then to call here with AQ you need hj to be jamming 55+, ATos, A9s. If they're both competent then it's a really easy rejam as utg should be jamming wider thus so will hj be. Never played these low stakes sats but would assume std is pretty bad so it's bordering on a fold but it's really close and in game I'd probs have jammed. If they're incompetent they probs get it in even wider, ergo more of a shove I disagree, the fact utg has only 5bbs in the 1st place, unless we have unknown info that he's just lost a decent pot then he's probs too nitty. Don't think randoms in hj are more likely to be rejamming wide here in a sat. Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: Doobs on March 25, 2013, 05:17:51 PM I assume bad players shove too tight as a rule. They call wide but 3 bets are usually much tighter. Think he would have to have pleno stats for me to call with 24 seats.
I would call if it was a one seat sat. Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: mondatoo on March 25, 2013, 06:22:15 PM I'd say unknowns in general normally jam too tight and don't call jams wide enough. Obv we shouldn't just assume everyone in this sat is incompetent or bad, but it's probably fair to say most of the field won't be playing optimally.
Title: Re: HOT $33 turbo SAT $6.60 24SEATS Post by: SubZERO on March 25, 2013, 09:14:11 PM say we give villain 1 the following range - 22+,A2s+,K5s+,Q7s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,A5o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
and villain 2 - 77+,ATs+,KTs+,ATo+ I think this is erring on the tight side tbh. Please correct me if I'm way off? We are 34% against these ranges (assuming the BB folds) Pot - 24bb Our stack - 16bb So we have to call 16bb to win 24bb - 1.5-1 so we need to win 40% of the time to break even (assume bb is 100 for ease on my maths) (0.31 x 2400) - (0.69 x 1600) = 816 - 1104 = -288 = -2.8bb -EV shove so I changed my mind... Fold |