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Title: $0.25/$0.50 simple decision?
Post by: jezza777 on April 05, 2013, 09:02:29 PM
Villian bought in for $50 I have no choice but to put the chips in here (as in all of the chips , I know i cant call) ? I don't play much cash so be gentle!





PokerStars Hand #96710201815:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2013/04/05 15:36:35 ET
Table 'Wabash III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Mucko92 ($82.91 in chips)
Seat 2: Hotei168 ($50 in chips)
Seat 3: beargood ($140.06 in chips)
Seat 4: DIVIANSI ($51.05 in chips)
Seat 5: Str1p_Poker ($96.75 in chips)
Seat 6: kidzxc ($132.22 in chips)
beargood: posts small blind $0.25
DIVIANSI: posts big blind $0.50
Mucko92: posts the ante $0.10
Hotei168: posts the ante $0.10
beargood: posts the ante $0.10
DIVIANSI: posts the ante $0.10
Str1p_Poker: posts the ante $0.10
kidzxc: posts the ante $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kidzxc [Qd Kh]
Str1p_Poker: folds
kidzxc: raises $1 to $1.50
Mucko92: folds
Hotei168: calls $1.50
beargood: folds
DIVIANSI: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [8h 9h 2h]
DIVIANSI: checks
kidzxc: bets $4
Hotei168: calls $4
DIVIANSI: folds
*** TURN *** [8h 9h 2h] [Th]
kidzxc: bets $8
Hotei168: raises $17 to $25
kidzxc:?



Title: Re: $0.25/$0.50 simple decision?
Post by: dwayne110 on April 05, 2013, 09:28:00 PM
I certainly think so, his raise size seems big if he has the  Ahrt with one street still to come, will have the  Jh just as often, and it's a good card to bluff for the villain


Title: Re: $0.25/$0.50 simple decision?
Post by: dwayne110 on April 05, 2013, 09:29:24 PM
... Jh or  Qh, should read...


Title: Re: $0.25/$0.50 simple decision?
Post by: Nit Tendencies on April 05, 2013, 09:38:43 PM
Snap fold.

I have played some $50nlhe and people almost never raise the Qh or the Jh. Remember the Ah isn't the nuts, there are a few combos of straight flushes as well which might raise to try and stack the Ah.

In these spots, you have no margin for error because if he does have a hand that beats you then you have 0% equity.

The way to beat these games is to keep betting for value and fold when they raise.


Title: Re: $0.25/$0.50 simple decision?
Post by: Evilpengwinz on April 05, 2013, 10:05:15 PM
Re: "I know I can't call" - He can't have Kh as we have Kh obviously. Does he really raise worse hand for value here? Think Qh and worse is more likely to just call down IP tbh if he thinks his hand is good?

If he's got a bluff here I'd expect it to be two over cards on the flop which have floated and decided to bluff raise a scary turn card as there's no chance of their hand being good.

Therefore, we're looking at a very polarised range here - If we raise, I think he'll either fold bluffs or call with Ahrt, so I think there is maybe an argument for calling then c/c river despite $63 in the pot and only leaving around $20 behind, the reason for this being if we shove we get called by Ahrt, and bluffs fold so does shoving really achieve anything if he's probably not raising worse flushes?

You will get some fish who just think "OMG I made a flush, raise raise raise", but even if he does raise a worse flush he probably thinks he's doing it for value and would probably still value bet the river if we just call turn and check river to him?

On some rivers where Ahrt is no longer only behind to Qh Jh and 6h 7h, but there's either FHs possible or 1 card straight flushes, I guess he could make a really nitty check behind too, which might save us $20 on the occasions where we're behind, whereas shoving means putting in another $20 drawing dead. Even if he checks behind with junk otr, we've not lost any value as he folds to turn shove anyway.

For those reasons, call turn and c/c river > shoving turn IMO.

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Having said all that, I don't play on 'Stars much but I think it's generally best to just fold turn.

As I said above, his range is polarised IMO. If we believe he's got Ahrt so often that calling him down is setting fire to money, then obviously there's no point calling down with Kh.

For most opponents, it's not going to be a bluff often enough to make calling with Kh here worthwhile, so just sigh fold.

If we don't fold here though, don't shove, just call turn and c/c river.


Title: Re: $0.25/$0.50 simple decision?
Post by: dwayne110 on April 05, 2013, 10:08:29 PM
...but if they have any of the combo straight flushes or the  Ahrt villian these are all going to be either the nuts (Jh10h, Jh7h) or effective nuts (Ah x or  6h 7h) - my point is that with any of these hands the raise size seems large to me if villain is basing his bet solely in the hope we have  Ahrt, whilst potentially scaring away 2 pairs/sets etc. It's a great spot to bluff for villain too.


Title: Re: $0.25/$0.50 simple decision?
Post by: JustinSayne on April 06, 2013, 04:53:04 PM
Extremely easy fold


Title: Re: $0.25/$0.50 simple decision?
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 07, 2013, 12:03:31 PM
Let me tell you where we are...

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We're OUT.


Title: Re: $0.25/$0.50 simple decision?
Post by: dwayne110 on April 07, 2013, 11:17:29 PM
Lol, fair enough... did you fold/call?


Title: Re: $0.25/$0.50 simple decision?
Post by: jezza777 on April 08, 2013, 01:09:00 AM
I did a call.
 I pretty much thought I was beat because of his sizing but decided I had to flick it in due to stack sizes and he may have the j or q. A mistake i will be watching out for next time! He obv had Ah 4h. I remember saying to myself "of course he has it"!   I mean he always has it here.


Title: Re: $0.25/$0.50 simple decision?
Post by: pokerzzzzz on April 25, 2013, 12:38:05 PM
Veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy easy turn fold.
Sizing doesn't matter, villain's value range always makes your hand a bluffcatcher, and his bluffing range is non-existent