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Title: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: jjandellis on April 10, 2013, 08:07:48 PM Racism or banter between 2 friends?
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/220890-rangers-chief-executive-charles-green-charged-by-sfa-over-racist-comments/ (http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/220890-rangers-chief-executive-charles-green-charged-by-sfa-over-racist-comments/) Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: Mohican on April 10, 2013, 09:34:05 PM I don't think this can be classed as 'banter'.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/voice-darts-horrifies-crowd-racist-jokes-112837097.html Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: Dewi_cool on April 11, 2013, 01:18:13 AM Either racist or very stupid
Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: celtic on April 11, 2013, 01:21:13 AM Haven't read the article, but obv racist :)
Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: celtic on April 11, 2013, 02:25:04 AM If its between friends, in a private conversation, then you can easily get away with. Assuming it is accepted by both. To say it to a newspaper is just plain stupidity.
Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: Ironside on April 11, 2013, 04:51:26 AM you can get away with anything between friends as long as both parties know its a joke between friends
as work colleagues at work where one is the boss he cant get away with it even if they are mates now i call myself a cripple and a few of my close mates get away with calling me a cripple but if a random out of nowhere called me a cripple i would beat the shit out of him (verbally without stooping too his level) if i was in an environment where i was being asked too work for a mate that gets away with calling me a cripple in private it would not be acceptable for him to do it at work everything i said should go for race too Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: leethefish on April 11, 2013, 07:48:47 AM I personally think people are far too sensitive ...
I am bold and fat ! .....Not black or brown but is boldly or fatty less offensive to hear than paki ? I get called all sorts but don't take offence ....unless it was constant or relentless! Answer : Not racism Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: Tal on April 11, 2013, 09:01:39 AM When A is having some banter with B, the problem isn't what A and B understand to be the acceptable boundaries of their relationship; it's what person C, D, E and Z understand when they happen to hear it.
It is all about context. Private conversation and a joke between mates is almost certainly going to be fine. But outside those parameters, there is always a risk of someone else taking offence. It is the old subjective v objective test. What does person B (the recipient/subject of the comment) think of it? Subjective What would an ordinary passer-by think of the comment? Objective. The darts one beggars belief. Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: AndrewT on April 11, 2013, 10:28:17 AM I personally think people are far too sensitive ... I am bold and fat ! .....Not black or brown but is boldly or fatty less offensive to hear than paki ? I get called all sorts but don't take offence ....unless it was constant or relentless! Answer : Not racism Yes, but you could put the doughnuts down for 5 minutes and be less strident in your views, then you'd be less bold and fat - they're choices you have made. Skin colour isn't a choice. Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: leethefish on April 11, 2013, 11:57:18 AM I personally think people are far too sensitive ... I am bold and fat ! .....Not black or brown but is boldly or fatty less offensive to hear than paki ? I get called all sorts but don't take offence ....unless it was constant or relentless! Answer : Not racism Yes, but you could put the doughnuts down for 5 minutes and be less strident in your views, then you'd be less bold and fat - they're choices you have made. Skin colour isn't a choice. But I have been bold since I was 18 what am I to do in your eyes wear a wig ? Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: leethefish on April 11, 2013, 12:04:28 PM The thing is, the term 'Paki' has been hijacked anyway. 'Stan' is 'land of the...' 'place of the...' 'home of the...' So just like England is 'land of the Angles', Scotland is 'land of the Scots', similarly Afghanistan is 'land of the Afghanis', Kazakhstan is 'land of the Kazakhs' and Pakistan is 'land of the Pakis'. Easily forgotten. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/features/2005/03/paki.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/features/2005/03/paki.shtml) I guess it's just the tone and context in which the word is used - and by who. But the trouble is, the PC Brigade don't see it like that. As soon as they hear the word they fall about themselves in a state of hysteria :-( Good points lee Don't think del-boy is racist either !! #Invalid YouTube Link# http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilmjujmXR0 (End of clip) Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: AndrewT on April 11, 2013, 12:19:00 PM I personally think people are far too sensitive ... I am bold and fat ! .....Not black or brown but is boldly or fatty less offensive to hear than paki ? I get called all sorts but don't take offence ....unless it was constant or relentless! Answer : Not racism Yes, but you could put the doughnuts down for 5 minutes and be less strident in your views, then you'd be less bold and fat - they're choices you have made. Skin colour isn't a choice. But I have been bold since I was 18 what am I to do in your eyes wear a wig ? Bald, the word is bald. Bold means something different. What physical abuse have you suffered as a result of your baldness? Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: bobAlike on April 11, 2013, 12:22:43 PM I personally think people are far too sensitive ... I am bold and fat ! .....Not black or brown but is boldly or fatty less offensive to hear than paki ? I get called all sorts but don't take offence ....unless it was constant or relentless! Answer : Not racism Yes, but you could put the doughnuts down for 5 minutes and be less strident in your views, then you'd be less bold and fat - they're choices you have made. Skin colour isn't a choice. I beg to differ ;) (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2b6SGDRIuGs/UIL_aTSnaCI/AAAAAAAAAFo/TyjpdIat6T4/s640/body+builder2.jpg) (http://www.high50.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/RossTan-620.jpg) (http://i1.cdnds.net/10/46/showbiz_main_michael_jackson_generic.jpg) Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: leethefish on April 11, 2013, 12:49:49 PM I personally think people are far too sensitive ... I am bold and fat ! .....Not black or brown but is boldly or fatty less offensive to hear than paki ? I get called all sorts but don't take offence ....unless it was constant or relentless! Answer : Not racism Yes, but you could put the doughnuts down for 5 minutes and be less strident in your views, then you'd be less bold and fat - they're choices you have made. Skin colour isn't a choice. But I have been bold since I was 18 what am I to do in your eyes wear a wig ? Bald, the word is bald. Bold means something different. What physical abuse have you suffered as a result of your baldness? Just lol You are obviously one of dem policaly correct all the time kind o guys This is not the issue here or the debate is it ? You are turning it into that ...which is what causes all the problems Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: AndrewT on April 11, 2013, 12:54:59 PM What is the debate then?
You just annoyed you can't go round shouting Paki any more without someone getting on your case? Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: leethefish on April 11, 2013, 12:59:51 PM What is the debate then? Not at all You just annoyed you can't go round shouting Paki any more without someone getting on your case? Why would I ? I suggest you read the op again The debate here is whether that comment was racist or banter Same as when I get called baldy in this instance it called banter Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: AndrewT on April 11, 2013, 01:46:43 PM What is the debate then? Not at all You just annoyed you can't go round shouting Paki any more without someone getting on your case? Why would I ? I suggest you read the op again The debate here is whether that comment was racist or banter Same as when I get called baldy in this instance it called banter The two just aren't comparable - if you honestly think that calling someone a 'Paki' so and so is the same as 'bald' so and so then you need to move into the modern world, as the guy in OP link needs to. Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: bobAlike on April 11, 2013, 02:12:07 PM What is the debate then? Not at all You just annoyed you can't go round shouting Paki any more without someone getting on your case? Why would I ? I suggest you read the op again The debate here is whether that comment was racist or banter Same as when I get called baldy in this instance it called banter The two just aren't comparable - if you honestly think that calling someone a 'Paki' so and so is the same as 'bald' so and so then you need to move into the modern world, as the guy in OP link needs to. Just to make this clear, before I get branded as a racist Thatcherite, I would never call anyone a Paki. I have Pakistani friends who call each other Paki and they laugh at us and our political correctness. Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: kinboshi on April 11, 2013, 02:33:55 PM What is the debate then? Not at all You just annoyed you can't go round shouting Paki any more without someone getting on your case? Why would I ? I suggest you read the op again The debate here is whether that comment was racist or banter Same as when I get called baldy in this instance it called banter The two just aren't comparable - if you honestly think that calling someone a 'Paki' so and so is the same as 'bald' so and so then you need to move into the modern world, as the guy in OP link needs to. Just to make this clear, before I get branded as a racist Thatcherite, I would never call anyone a Paki. I have Pakistani friends who call each other Paki and they laugh at us and our political correctness. I wouldn't expect you to use the word Andy, and I believe you treat everyone equally regardless of their colour or race. I have Pakistani and Indian friends who detest being called Paki - as it's often used as a derogatory term, prefaced or suffixed with bastard or not. It's the same as black friends referring to each other as 'nigga', it's very different to calling someone a nigger. When people are discriminated against because of the colour of their skin, or there is a long history of discrimination because of their race or colour, then using terms related to this discrimination is obviously far more than political correctness. I don't know about too much discrimination against bald people as a group which has seen them being marginalised, discriminated against, physically abused or murdered. Which is why it isn't the same thing. Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: bobAlike on April 11, 2013, 02:46:28 PM What is the debate then? Not at all You just annoyed you can't go round shouting Paki any more without someone getting on your case? Why would I ? I suggest you read the op again The debate here is whether that comment was racist or banter Same as when I get called baldy in this instance it called banter The two just aren't comparable - if you honestly think that calling someone a 'Paki' so and so is the same as 'bald' so and so then you need to move into the modern world, as the guy in OP link needs to. Just to make this clear, before I get branded as a racist Thatcherite, I would never call anyone a Paki. I have Pakistani friends who call each other Paki and they laugh at us and our political correctness. I wouldn't expect you to use the word Andy, and I believe you treat everyone equally regardless of their colour or race. I have Pakistani and Indian friends who detest being called Paki - as it's often used as a derogatory term, prefaced or suffixed with bastard or not. It's the same as black friends referring to each other as 'nigga', it's very different to calling someone a nigger. When people are discriminated against because of the colour of their skin, or there is a long history of discrimination because of their race or colour, then using terms related to this discrimination is obviously far more than political correctness. I don't know about too much discrimination against bald people as a group which has seen them being marginalised, discriminated against, physically abused or murdered. Which is why it isn't the same thing. Point taken in context. But I can see why an Indian would get offended ;) I do have experience of being racially abused as 1 of only 10 foreigners in a school of 1100 pupils. I got on with it and being bigger than most the school helped considerably. No one was ever violent to me for being foreign but people have and still do slap my head for being bald :( Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: leethefish on April 11, 2013, 02:47:40 PM What is the debate then? Not at all You just annoyed you can't go round shouting Paki any more without someone getting on your case? Why would I ? I suggest you read the op again The debate here is whether that comment was racist or banter Same as when I get called baldy in this instance it called banter The two just aren't comparable - if you honestly think that calling someone a 'Paki' so and so is the same as 'bald' so and so then you need to move into the modern world, as the guy in OP link needs to. Like being called bald So in this instance yes they are comparable I will try not to comment further because I also have tattoos Along with a bald head Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: kinboshi on April 11, 2013, 02:50:26 PM How was it banter between friends? It was published in a national newspaper (loose use of the word newspaper, I know)!
Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: millidonk on April 11, 2013, 02:53:13 PM Again we are talking about the op here nothing more banter between friends Like being called bald So in this instance yes they are comparable I will try not to comment further because I also have tattoos Along with a bald head (http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/swastika%20tattoo.jpg) Lee? Clearly a joke before anyone loses it.. Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: leethefish on April 11, 2013, 03:04:55 PM Just for the record .....
I don't take offence in the slightest for being bald as I have been a very very large amount of my life ........ Carry on ! Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: kinboshi on April 11, 2013, 03:09:24 PM Again we are talking about the op here nothing more banter between friends Like being called bald So in this instance yes they are comparable I will try not to comment further because I also have tattoos Along with a bald head (http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/swastika%20tattoo.jpg) Lee? Clearly a joke before anyone loses it.. Fantastic film. Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: celtic on April 11, 2013, 04:47:47 PM Bald and paki just can't be considered the same.
I get what you're trying to say, but you're wrong. Oh, and shut up you Greek twat psaras. Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: bobAlike on April 11, 2013, 04:50:57 PM Bald and paki just can't be considered the same. I get what you're trying to say, but you're wrong. Oh, and shut up you Greek twat psaras. Don't ya just love sibling rivalry Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: millidonk on April 11, 2013, 04:53:49 PM Bald and paki just can't be considered the same. I get what you're trying to say, but you're wrong. Oh, and shut up you Greek twat psaras. Don't ya just love sibling rivalry Siblings, hmm... You two in your primes. (http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/4272371.jpg) Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: bobAlike on April 11, 2013, 04:57:50 PM Bald and paki just can't be considered the same. I get what you're trying to say, but you're wrong. Oh, and shut up you Greek twat psaras. Don't ya just love sibling rivalry Siblings, hmm... You two in your primes. (http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/4272371.jpg) See how hes looking at my arse. Somethings never change. Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: kinboshi on April 11, 2013, 05:43:58 PM Bald and paki just can't be considered the same. I get what you're trying to say, but you're wrong. Oh, and shut up you Greek twat psaras. Don't ya just love sibling rivalry Siblings, hmm... You two in your primes. (http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/4272371.jpg) See how hes looking at my arse. Somethings never change. When you wearing that vest again? For the Monte Carlo? Fetching... Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: Tal on April 11, 2013, 05:46:58 PM Legs that go on for miles and miles...
Miles and miles... Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: Woodsey on April 11, 2013, 05:49:04 PM What is the debate then? Not at all You just annoyed you can't go round shouting Paki any more without someone getting on your case? Why would I ? I suggest you read the op again The debate here is whether that comment was racist or banter Same as when I get called baldy in this instance it called banter The two just aren't comparable - if you honestly think that calling someone a 'Paki' so and so is the same as 'bald' so and so then you need to move into the modern world, as the guy in OP link needs to. Just to make this clear, before I get branded as a racist Thatcherite, I would never call anyone a Paki. I have Pakistani friends who call each other Paki and they laugh at us and our political correctness. I wouldn't expect you to use the word Andy, and I believe you treat everyone equally regardless of their colour or race. I have Pakistani and Indian friends who detest being called Paki - as it's often used as a derogatory term, prefaced or suffixed with bastard or not. It's the same as black friends referring to each other as 'nigga', it's very different to calling someone a nigger. When people are discriminated against because of the colour of their skin, or there is a long history of discrimination because of their race or colour, then using terms related to this discrimination is obviously far more than political correctness. I don't know about too much discrimination against bald people as a group which has seen them being marginalised, discriminated against, physically abused or murdered. Which is why it isn't the same thing. Gotta say that annoys me, they should be setting an example. Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: bobAlike on April 11, 2013, 05:51:42 PM Bald and paki just can't be considered the same. I get what you're trying to say, but you're wrong. Oh, and shut up you Greek twat psaras. Don't ya just love sibling rivalry Siblings, hmm... You two in your primes. (http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/4272371.jpg) See how hes looking at my arse. Somethings never change. When you wearing that vest again? For the Monte Carlo? Fetching... I'll wear it if you can send it back to me mate. Can you clean it first though. Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: kinboshi on April 11, 2013, 05:54:38 PM Bald and paki just can't be considered the same. I get what you're trying to say, but you're wrong. Oh, and shut up you Greek twat psaras. Don't ya just love sibling rivalry Siblings, hmm... You two in your primes. (http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/4272371.jpg) See how hes looking at my arse. Somethings never change. When you wearing that vest again? For the Monte Carlo? Fetching... I'll wear it if you can send it back to me mate. Can you clean it first though. You said you liked it unwashed? :dontask: Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: kinboshi on April 11, 2013, 05:54:47 PM What is the debate then? Not at all You just annoyed you can't go round shouting Paki any more without someone getting on your case? Why would I ? I suggest you read the op again The debate here is whether that comment was racist or banter Same as when I get called baldy in this instance it called banter The two just aren't comparable - if you honestly think that calling someone a 'Paki' so and so is the same as 'bald' so and so then you need to move into the modern world, as the guy in OP link needs to. Just to make this clear, before I get branded as a racist Thatcherite, I would never call anyone a Paki. I have Pakistani friends who call each other Paki and they laugh at us and our political correctness. I wouldn't expect you to use the word Andy, and I believe you treat everyone equally regardless of their colour or race. I have Pakistani and Indian friends who detest being called Paki - as it's often used as a derogatory term, prefaced or suffixed with bastard or not. It's the same as black friends referring to each other as 'nigga', it's very different to calling someone a nigger. When people are discriminated against because of the colour of their skin, or there is a long history of discrimination because of their race or colour, then using terms related to this discrimination is obviously far more than political correctness. I don't know about too much discrimination against bald people as a group which has seen them being marginalised, discriminated against, physically abused or murdered. Which is why it isn't the same thing. Gotta say that annoys me, they should be setting an example. What? Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: Tal on April 11, 2013, 05:54:56 PM Would you agree to do a little turn on the catwalk?
On the catwalk? The catwalk, yeah? Would you do a little turn on the catwalk? Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: Woodsey on April 11, 2013, 05:56:31 PM What is the debate then? Not at all You just annoyed you can't go round shouting Paki any more without someone getting on your case? Why would I ? I suggest you read the op again The debate here is whether that comment was racist or banter Same as when I get called baldy in this instance it called banter The two just aren't comparable - if you honestly think that calling someone a 'Paki' so and so is the same as 'bald' so and so then you need to move into the modern world, as the guy in OP link needs to. Just to make this clear, before I get branded as a racist Thatcherite, I would never call anyone a Paki. I have Pakistani friends who call each other Paki and they laugh at us and our political correctness. I wouldn't expect you to use the word Andy, and I believe you treat everyone equally regardless of their colour or race. I have Pakistani and Indian friends who detest being called Paki - as it's often used as a derogatory term, prefaced or suffixed with bastard or not. It's the same as black friends referring to each other as 'nigga', it's very different to calling someone a nigger. When people are discriminated against because of the colour of their skin, or there is a long history of discrimination because of their race or colour, then using terms related to this discrimination is obviously far more than political correctness. I don't know about too much discrimination against bald people as a group which has seen them being marginalised, discriminated against, physically abused or murdered. Which is why it isn't the same thing. Gotta say that annoys me, they should be setting an example. What? The bit I highlighted. Don't bother trying to explain why they should be able to do it, I ain't changing my mind. :) Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: kinboshi on April 11, 2013, 06:04:09 PM What is the debate then? Not at all You just annoyed you can't go round shouting Paki any more without someone getting on your case? Why would I ? I suggest you read the op again The debate here is whether that comment was racist or banter Same as when I get called baldy in this instance it called banter The two just aren't comparable - if you honestly think that calling someone a 'Paki' so and so is the same as 'bald' so and so then you need to move into the modern world, as the guy in OP link needs to. Just to make this clear, before I get branded as a racist Thatcherite, I would never call anyone a Paki. I have Pakistani friends who call each other Paki and they laugh at us and our political correctness. I wouldn't expect you to use the word Andy, and I believe you treat everyone equally regardless of their colour or race. I have Pakistani and Indian friends who detest being called Paki - as it's often used as a derogatory term, prefaced or suffixed with bastard or not. It's the same as black friends referring to each other as 'nigga', it's very different to calling someone a nigger. When people are discriminated against because of the colour of their skin, or there is a long history of discrimination because of their race or colour, then using terms related to this discrimination is obviously far more than political correctness. I don't know about too much discrimination against bald people as a group which has seen them being marginalised, discriminated against, physically abused or murdered. Which is why it isn't the same thing. Gotta say that annoys me, they should be setting an example. What? The bit I highlighted. Don't bother trying to explain why they should be able to do it, I ain't changing my mind. :) It was the "they should be setting an example" bit I was 'whatting' at. Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: Woodsey on April 11, 2013, 06:13:44 PM What is the debate then? Not at all You just annoyed you can't go round shouting Paki any more without someone getting on your case? Why would I ? I suggest you read the op again The debate here is whether that comment was racist or banter Same as when I get called baldy in this instance it called banter The two just aren't comparable - if you honestly think that calling someone a 'Paki' so and so is the same as 'bald' so and so then you need to move into the modern world, as the guy in OP link needs to. Just to make this clear, before I get branded as a racist Thatcherite, I would never call anyone a Paki. I have Pakistani friends who call each other Paki and they laugh at us and our political correctness. I wouldn't expect you to use the word Andy, and I believe you treat everyone equally regardless of their colour or race. I have Pakistani and Indian friends who detest being called Paki - as it's often used as a derogatory term, prefaced or suffixed with bastard or not. It's the same as black friends referring to each other as 'nigga', it's very different to calling someone a nigger. When people are discriminated against because of the colour of their skin, or there is a long history of discrimination because of their race or colour, then using terms related to this discrimination is obviously far more than political correctness. I don't know about too much discrimination against bald people as a group which has seen them being marginalised, discriminated against, physically abused or murdered. Which is why it isn't the same thing. Gotta say that annoys me, they should be setting an example. What? The bit I highlighted. Don't bother trying to explain why they should be able to do it, I ain't changing my mind. :) It was the "they should be setting an example" bit I was 'whatting' at. Forget it..... Title: Re: Tin of worms (not beans) Post by: nirvana on April 11, 2013, 06:27:38 PM It would be nice if Paki could be used here like the Aussies use it, but it can't for a while yet unfortunately.
This was one of my nicknames at school, I think it was a term of endearment though |