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Title: U Da Villain Post by: jjandellis on April 18, 2013, 02:53:46 PM OK, not going to try and do a slightly different PHA. Might work, might not.
Putting ourselves in the seat of a Villain, lets call ourselves 'NitBob'. I won't allude to which player I was! NLH 1/1 UTG - Villain 1 (plays LAG, also switches to TAG for periods...no big bets made all night - but capable of betting draws) - STRADDLES to £2 UTG+1 - Villain 2(very LAG, loves 2 pairs and betting draws heavily) - CALLS MP - Villain 3 (Very ABC, can play trappy. If he bets big he has it) - CALLS Folds around to SB - NitBob - 4h 4s - CALLS Big Blind FOLDS POT £9 FLOP: 3c 4d 5h NitBob - Bets £10 Villain1 - Calls Villain2 - Raises to £25 Villain3 - Calls £25 NitBob - Calls £25 Villain1 - Raises to £100 (total stack £259) Villain2 - dwell folds Villain3 - Raises all in £270 NitBob - ???? NitBob has £100 back.... The pot he can win so far is £284, if Villain 1 calls then NitBob can win £309. Questions: a. What ranges do you assign to villains 1, 2 & 3? (more importantly 1 & 3) b. Do you call or fold? Title: Re: U Da Villain Post by: kinboshi on April 18, 2013, 03:09:50 PM Definitely call. I make sure I house-up before the river as well.
Title: Re: U Da Villain Post by: Doobs on April 18, 2013, 09:44:35 PM Definitely call. I make sure I house-up before the river as well. <sigh> Ranges? I know you asked for ranges, but I don't think it really matters. We are playing cash and not a sat, it feels the maths must be good even if we haven't done a range calc, so we call. People aren't often folding 67, A2 and 33 here, particularly in a small live cash game, though guess villian 2 might. I suppose we can theoretically put him on something like A2 and use it to eliminate some combinations, but it just doesn't feel worth the time. Sometimes we are going to be facing 55 and 76, but a lot of other times we are't so can't be making a huge mistake here. And for all those times we are facing 55 and 76, we are going to be facing 65, 43, 54 etc just as often. Throw in a few nutters with over pairs and random spew then I don't think it can even be that close. What range do you put them on? Title: Re: U Da Villain Post by: gouty on April 19, 2013, 12:33:37 AM I think in unraised pre flop pots you be pretty tight with ranges with this much action on the flop. Forgetting their style for a second, are they winning/good players?
If villain 3 is good enough to know that villain 1 aint raising a nit with nowt on that board (nits dont lead oop with draws) then its a possible fold. If its i-pad Bob he is a maths geek and could find one depending on opponents. I obviously call here as its 1/1 hold em at the gala and would be on the piss. Any sets in that game gotta be piled into and hope for a 1 outer for a good laugh. Are you playing dtd this wekend? |