blonde poker forum

As you all know I don't post here very often ......
But I would like to know as many options from as many of you guys as I can ...thanks in advance.

Blinds 100/200

There has been no limping most pots have been open & 3 bet

Utg limps !  (From 20k)
Utg +1 raises to 850 (from about15k)
Seat 2 shoves 4250
Button tank flats the shove (playing about 50k)

I look down in the bb at  Ahrt Kh (playing 48k)

What is my best play

what do we know about the button, and probably utg and utg+1?

Think it is crucial to know about the button though. 

Good player Daniel hardy

It's a classic fold and tell no one spot. It's gonna be a massive pot. Is the button any good? Weird flat call. You would think he would try to isolate.

Fold. You got plenty.

When I read at the time you'd folded, I didnt think it was too bad. Seems a v gross spot and folding is quite possibly correct (if not I think its pretty close, might stove it later)

Daniel probably giving him a spin pretty wide.

10,500 then fold to any more aggression.

Really don't think you should fold

OOP vs a competant player I "sigh fold, tell no-one" here

without flopping the world we could well end up guessing down the streets in an inflated pot.

dont really agree with this the way the action has gone before him. I think Dan will have summat like 88+/AQ+

88 is relatively wide!

If we're old then it's going to be best to 4bf I guess

nawwwwwwwwwww 88 the nizzles. He might well be tighter too. Think 88 AQ is my range in this spot. i might sigh fold 88 ingame with reads or whatever though

Im on board with 4b/f i think

I just mean he will hae a wider range than 90% of live players here and we don't have to be scared about him over calling

i think I'm clicking to like 9 or 10k and folding to a jam.

I don't think anyone is jamming e.g. TT over our cold 4b.

I said 10,800. Annoyed

Now I'm annoyed too. I must be wrong :P

10,650 obviously the optimal amount.

What are people thoughts on random deec player flatting here in a live £1k? My initial guess was he wasn't gonna be that wide, like AQ/TT, but rarely the bottom end.


Just feel like we're gonna be 4b/f a shit ton if we actually do it

This

Not that I want to disagree with the live poker gurus but from my experiences of playing live, if we're cold 4ing this spot then I'm making it closer to 13 then 11 as people will just flick calls in so often.

Villain is good though

Lol you think everyone is good, becoming the most complimentary man in poker. Bring back the old Pleno that correctly assumed people weren't good

Lol what is this?! I'm just saying this guy will have a relatively good range in this spot. He plays live cash for a living plays the circuit etc. if I didn't know who villain was then would assume he was dreadful I guess but this guy is 21 year old circuit travelling (ept etc) live cash game reg.

The word you probably meant then was competent, meaning he understands ranges to some degree. Can describe him as good in relation to field I guess but that certainly fits in the competent criteria

Just think loads of your recent posts appear to overrating players ability. Not everything is as clear cut as that either, ie playing epts etc, I think you're way off on this read on this player but that's only my opinion and I probably underrate everyone. Just think you will end up overestimating people's ability and playing incorrectly against them because of it

Why not call?

I normally fold quite happily here. So much action, any one of them could easily have either of your A or K, diminishing your outs slightly and increasing the strength of what Hardy probably has of what I assume is a mid to high pocket pair. Surprised he would flat the shove in front. It sort of makes no sense. I think anything he is calling with is definitely worth iso 3 betting with to 7750 or thereabouts, unless he has a premium and he is calling to induce action from behind, as he is inviting a possible call in behind from the guy who made it 850. Not to mention the outside chance the limper UTG is up to mischief.

Not a big fan really of the 3 bet to 10700 from us or thereabouts as if you get a re pop you probably want to think about folding, and is Hardy really going to fold to that after flat calling a shove from a 50k stack, granted he has only committed 4250? Maybe. What range is he going to fold after seeing your raise to 10700? And is it worth it, for the risk involved for us? Say he flats, we are now out of position, only likely going to see three cards, that we will probably miss.

Do we now donk bet out missed boards, or check fold to most of his bets? Just seems like we are putting ourselves in unnecessary danger, at such early blind levels.

We have 50k and the proposed move is to put a fifth of our stack in, in a highly volatile position, where we are only really posturing ourselves and could be forced off of it pre flop.

Interesting spot. I like to point out I play 1010-JJ much more aggressively here than I do AK, obv as pairs have that much more flopping power ie. you don't have to hit.

I also would like to add I see the thinking behind the three bet and its obv legit, not discarding it, just not supporting it myself.

After seeing SkolSuper's post below, the call isn't bad. And I prefer it over the 3 bet.

+1

dont think id have a 4b range anyhow tbh, +our hand dominates, gets barrels and plays great multiway. oh and we rarely/never get bluffed.

Worked out well, great result Lee ;)

Thanks Alex

boris becker plays ept's m8  :-)

Thanks Lee.