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I'm not in this hand but come up in a discussion and got a lot of varying opinions.

We have  Td Tc UTG

Table is a fairly tough one for 30nl. 5/6 of the players are winning regs if not all 6. No big dynamics in the session, all been pretty standard so far.

UTG opens for 90p, folds to the button who raises to £3.00. Both 100bbs deep.



Button raiser is a good winning reg who has a looser image than most at these levels. They are a  good thinking player and can 3bet a wide range v the right players and will adjust a lot. He is a Good player post flop IP and is likely to own us a lot.

He will know UTG is a good winning reg at these levels. He will view UTG as a loose player who can make moves and bluff a lot pre and post flop. Even though we are UTG he will know that our UTG range will not be really tight.


What do we do pre flop and how do we play on certain boards? If we peel pre what is the plan v this player and other player types.

What's the stack sizes, AJ?

Both 100bbs

Will add it in now :)

fold

unreg pre. its 30nl and you are playing vs 5 winning players?

raise call oop play the streets

they likely suck the balls its nl30

100% this

rotflmfao

withthe reads you've provided id always say 4b/call BUT his 3bet is so big I'm gonna go with fold. Don't like his sizing much in a competent, aggressive, reggy game - i'd suggest he's never folding based on his sizing and would think AK/JJ nearly always,


100% not this, it's not like you're playing isildur no-one have any balls any more!? :P

not like it's the only game running though...

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lol -- i'm just saying that even at 30nl, game selection is important. gee ell arguing with that.

[ ] confirmed nit

[ x ] confirmed spewtard

Pretty easy fold pre.

Good luck beating the rake.

you're right, game selecting is an important thing to learn.

Getting good at poker though won't be achieved by quitting tough 30nl games.

you're absolutely correct ofc (as usual :))

Fold to the 3bet. If you had opened the CO then this would not usually be a fold, but UTG your opening range is much narrower and thus TT is a fold (it is actually a fairly weak part of your UTG opening range) unless you have very specific reasons to do otherwise.

As regards game selection... quit the table if you are trying to maximise your hourly rate. Stay if you are playing to learn. You should sometimes play with the aim of making as much money as possible, and at other times should be playing mainly for learning and development.

i think its more the fact that its likely some euro site with huge rake making it unbeatable against 5 regs unless your clearing a bonus or getting absurd rakeback. Certainly have a good shop around OP and see if your getting the most bang for your buck.

Re: table selecting better, even v 5 winning regs the games are still profitable at these limits. So although i agree it is important and i personally would be starting a new table its not very important here.

Looks like majority think its a fold then, are we folding mainly due to the difficulties post flop or because we think we likely behind now?


So you saying call? That was my initial thought but arent we likely to be folding the majority of the time post flop v an opponent who is likely to barrel a lot?



£3.00 is prob the normal size in these games. some may go £2.70 but £3.00 is the standard.

well if £3 is the stnd 3bet size no-one is 3betting "light" often enough, which should make it easy enough to build a pretty effective and ludicrously exploitative pre-flop strategy.

I feel like if it were you here, £2.10 would be a nice size to use for your whole range, £3 too big.

who said the nl30 people were good enough, and were barreling enough. do they construct their barreling ranges well?


raise call pre and ainec

I think you're overestimating our post flop edge here, if it exists. What do you expect to happen - are you leading flops? What do you think he's 3betting? I'd expect him to 3b very polarized here and that has us in a world of pain.

Also the assumption, "this person is capable of preflop aggression therefore he is somewhat capable of playing postflop" is much more logical than "this is 30nl this player will play loose passive postflop".

Think we obviously don't have a massive edge if we aren't already comfortable raise calling this oop.

I have a large sample size on sky over many levels, no one cognisantly (sp?) has a polarized range or a dp range. esp not at nl30. chumps gonna chump. 

Part of our edge is that we are comfortable folding TT to a 3bet when we have opened UTG.

This is usually a (close) fold against players who are bluffing with the right frequencies. And it is even better against micro stakes guys who are almost always going to be far too value heavy with their 3bets. We crush these guys by folding in such spots.

Stu. I do know this.

your second paragraph is wholly wrong against our current player pool hence why there is no reason to see r/f as > r/c

Well you know the players on this network and I don't, so fair enough.

For clarity, can you explain to me exactly what preflop and postflop characteristics these players display that makes it such an easy call with TT here?

Def calling.

If his 3bet range is so loltight that TT is doing badly, we can profitably set mine.

See a flop, take advantage of the fact that most small stakes regulars dont get the barrells out here.

We will often face a flop cbet and a turn give up. They are generally v honest without it.

yep.

Yeah okay, if these guys tend to be one-and-done postflop and will let you get to showdown easily then flatting is fine.