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Blinds are 100-200, everyone has roughly starting stack (30k) except for villain, an older guy, who has been very active and won lots of small pots and is up to about 40k.

Villain opens to 450.

4 callers to me in the bb with J3dd.

I call.

Flop A Q 3 with 2 diamonds.

I check, villain bets 800 everyone folds back to me.

I call.

Turn 8 of diamonds

I check, villain bets 1400

I call.

River is another 3

I bet 3200.

Villain raises to 9500.

Me?

Wp up to now (pre is meh, I flick it in, most here will say fold though), like the river lead.

Fold now, I think you're beat way too often to make it a call.

edit: not sure actually, there's almost no Kxdd combos as the AQ and J are all blocked, so we pretty much have the nut flush, a 3 blocker, lose only to AA and QQ...hmmmm

I think it's a fold.  If he seems competent then I can't see him leading this board into five people on that flop without a decent chunk of equity.  I think all value hands he could have which we beat check behind or call in the case of the river practically always.  KTdd, AA and QQ don't and you probably never have AA, QQ or 88 here so he can value raise KTdd pretty much always with confidence that quads is hard to make.  Pretty much those or complete balderdash in his hand IMO, just feels pretty strong and an odd spot to trip barrel garbage pre antes.  Has he shown down many hands at all or do you think he'd over value AQ and lower flushes etc here?  Snap raise, tank raise, insane Hollywood triple sigh raise on the end?

Probably a fold.  I say all that, in game I probably just see five blues and flick it in.

What an awful spot!

Pre flop I probably find a fold, your play is fine post flop. It does look like you made your flush, but he is still happy to raise you?

Surely 2 pairs like AQ or AK all flat call or fold, if he's a competent player he will know that only a stronger hand than 2 pair can call his re raise. Is he sophisticated enough to a 2 pair hand into a bluff? Very very few players are in my experience.

Its very hard to not put him on a full house here, but there is the possibility he semi bluffed a worse flush on the flop and made it on the turn.

You've got about 3:1 on the call if I've done my maths right. Lacking any other information I think I make a fold here.

Actually scratch that, in the heat of the moment I probably make a crying call. But poker is much easier typing on a keyboard! :D

Do we have any other information on him? Has he been caught bluffing? Has he played manically at all? Has he flat called on the river with a fairly strong hand when there are danger cards out there? Has he raised a suited connector pre flop? Has he semi bluffed?

Million you fold pre Ian Simpson!

As played lead turn. Villains gonna check back a lot but st least peel once and maybe even twice, if we get raised at any point we can fold.

I play it exactly the same, but I prefer a c/c on the river this early. Bet sizings (from this particular type of player) scream better flush to me.

Yeah i think leading turn is pretty cool. Villain deffo has a strong range so we can take initiative betting pretty big and be happy he'll be reluctant to fold, leaving open for a bigger river bet too. He might pot control the turn sometimes too when checked to when this draw gets there.

Pot is 1800 on very wet flop - expect larger than 800 with AA/QQ.

Prefer leading turn to save him checking back Aces and Queens/broadway hands and any diamonds that you lose value from.

Would also lead river if leading turn.

As played folding river

Flop bet is 800 into the pot of 2700, turn bet is 1400 into a pot of 4300. Right?

You're right, I read as 4 ways to flop.


800 into 2700 is tiny at these stack depths - I don't interpret it as a made hand.

If he's been real active then he can conceivably have every Kxdd - but also means worse flushes too, decide how much he over values them regarding river raise

Fold pre, call river.

Fold as played.

Prob donk flop

I was actually the villain in this hand.

J3dd was held by this fella  http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=113444

He folded after much tankage.

I had two black nines and showed him the bluff. :)

Leading that river put him in a pretty rough spot then?

 Jack three guy is a Teesside player whose success in the UKIPT inspired me to play some of the bigger tournaments

I was done with the hand until he led the river.

I thought that defined his had almost precisely. I mean he didn't have AA or QQ for sure.

88 very unlikely.

He could have 33, but it's hard to make quads, right?

He played really well, probably the best player at the table. And I believed he was the only one who could fold a flush in this spot.

I doubled him a couple of hours later!

Brett is good yeh. And nice bluff Keith, I would've folded to you too! Though now youve revealed you have this sort of shenanigans up your sleeve then perhaps not anymore :P you must get away with all sorts...

Why did you cbet the flop out of interest? Seems optimistic 6 ways?

Basically hadn't come up against any resistance from anybody yet.

Had only shown one hand down and that was top set :)

Thought a small stab was value, would have shut down if someone with position on me had called.

Then when the flush came on the turn, felt another bullet would get all queens and many ace-shit hands to fold.

I don't think I make this play against more than 10% of players, most cannot fold a flush here.

Thought it was an interesting hand though.

Ah cool ok. Yeh interesting hand.

Plus I made myself look like a wanker in the Grafton hand thread too.

Wanted to show I could still play a little sometimes :)

So you haven't gotten a proper job yet?

id have called for the reasons alex said in his post. however that doesnt make it a bad bluff id just have called this time cos i have J3dd but a wp hand all around id say. most likely bluffing hand is QxKd or KdAx not in love with flop bet with your 9's and once you bet turn i think you should bluff river. obv way easier when he leads. Theres a ton of hands id rather bomb of with.

predicting some fun hands for you this year kieth :)

I try not to make it a habit of repping boats on the river in PLO, let alone NLHE! That said, river raises do tend to get a lot of respect so if you think it'll get through go ahead and pull the trigger.

Think calling preflop with J3s is a big mistake. Make it K3s and I might call. Would rather 34s.