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So we are playing 1/1 at DTD, I have about £300, villain has about £180.

Early middle position raises to £4, gets 2 callers then villain in question flicks in the call. The button also calls and im in the SB and we have a look at Kd 6d, and make it £26. Everyone folds except the villain who throws in the call. My experience with the villain is minimal, only about 20 mins on the table with him and haven't seen anything out of the ordinary from him in that time. I have seen him around a few times before though but  wouldn't say he is a reg.

The flop comes down 9c 6s 5d, I bet £36 and villain tanks for a while and calls. Turn comes 5c , check check. River comes Jd, I check and villain shoves for ~£110. Our move?

ps Villain was giving me a very intense stare down the whole time i tanked.

Adrian

Fold?

Please explain your decision behind your 3 bet pre..... that is all.

Yeah pf makes zero sense to me. If you want to see a flop, Complete pre only with yr holding.

I just want to take the pot down then and there. There is £23 in the middle, im putting £25 out there to win that. If I dont take it down pre (which i will enough of the time anyway) I will hopefully be heads up with one of the overcallers who never has me dominated. Then il take it down a lot of the time on the flop anyway.

Im obv not playing the strength of my hand here but i think its a profitable squeeze pre. Feel free to disagree though

What's our table image / There's also no mention of the rest of the villains stack sizes??
There's £22 in there pre flop. We hold a somewhat garbage hand in the SB and are out of position.

Our line should never solely be i see money in the middle, let's take it down now, with a hand that plays badly postflop and one that we have to snap fold to a 4 bet, but i can see your thought process for why this squeeze would work pre.

Unless we have some kind of incredible skills of determination 3 betting into 5 people with that hand is definitely not on the list of things to do at a 1/1 game at DTD.
This isn't high stakes poker, we don't need to level our opponents, and seeing as in the OP there is no explanation on the tendencies of the other players at the table it seems we don't have a great evaluation at this time of how best to make money off each of our opponents.

Granted your thought process may well be right for any of the over callers and a CBet on most flops to a peel will likely take it down. I'm not trying to say this is a terrible play, a lot of the time it may work, however in this kind of game we have a tonne of better spots to make money from our opponents so just flat call and see a flop or fold it, order a tea and put your earphones back in.

I totally agree, this play in a vacuum at dtd isnt a good one, but at the time with the dynamic at the table it felt like I would take it down pre. As is I get the one caller, but its more the villains shove on the river that I would like thoughts on.

Flat pre. No need to 3 bet really ever her would defo for me be Flat>fold>3 bet here.

Dont see the need to call on the river.

If in some hypothetical world i had 3 bet pre i personally would make it like £24-£30 on the flop then like £56 on the turn. Basically im going for it if ive 3 bet and cbet.

I checked the turn because he will fire so much of his air on the river, I had the intentions of snapping off a bet on the river until he jammed, that made me think.

Yeah though i kind of understand your rationale for 3betting as you can see you're in a sticky spot now. Long term it's just not gonna be pretty holding K6 postflop when you get callers which will happen most of the time at 1/1. It'd be better from button, but just fold pre. Flatting would be bad pre also.

I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't 3bet here a decent amount of the time in a £1/1 game.

But it's SO dependant on who's in the pot so without seeing their faces I can't say. Also I don't know how people perceive you or play vs you.

Some people like to try and whack me and outplay me, some people are scared and fold loads.

This could be terrible, it could be absolutely fine and a really nice spot. Can't really say for certain, so imo, innocent until proven guilty so we'll let it slide ;)

WTF is he supposed to have on the river?!

Can you describe villains appearance?

In my experience the best thing to do in these situations in 1/1 games is to say "I have no idea what you have or why you have played it like this, but you're not bluffing so I'm folding".

I think you are just getting way too deep here.   Alex's last line is the best one.  He isn't just randomly bluffing here more than a tiny percentage of the time and his vakue range totally crushes you.  It is a trivial fold.

Pretty big guy, dark skin, bit of a beard going on. Was wearing a dark beanie hat and a beige hoody. Had Beats Studio headphones on.

I had similar thoughts, I had no clue at all what the guy could be trying to rep here. His line makes no sense to me really, except maybe floating the flop with AJ, hitting his jack on the river and shipping. I felt the way he had played the hand his range was strongly weighted towards bluffs, but I tend to think that a lot if their line seems strange to me :P

Sounds like Ian Turner. Meh, fold?

No it wasn't

Was this from Thursday Adrian?

Deffo wasn't

Yeh it was on thursday

I know who you mean now...

Given who the player was, I definitely wouldn't have 3-bet pre. He didn't really fold much preflop or postflop and he was prone to taking some very strange lines also, none of which made too much sense. However, there were numerous occasions where he did take these odd lines when he had it and when he didn't, making it quite hard to figure out what he ever had. So it doesn't leave you in a great spot having to play a marginal hand OOP in a bloated pot vs an unpredictable opponent.

pot is £130 ish OTT and very safe in regards to what should be our perceived range against the villain, villain has £120 behind

i'd personally have to spazz shove here thinking against a random folding  TT>

in relation to the hand i'd never check check turn and river on this run out. plus if he checks behind and you're good OTR you'd look like a chump tabling K6 :P

always barrel hard

I agree with Alex I think pre-flop is actually ok, depends how comfortable you are just calling, me personally I'd prolly just call cos the big big squeezes aren;t reallly my stlye, speshly OOP but I think it's actually prolly a decent spot as long as you dont have really sticcky players in the pot cos then you're prolly going 5way to the flop and thats not really what we want!

You've picked one of the best hands as well, although saying you never get called by something dominated is defo wrong.

As played once you've really sort of made your bed pre-flop and are now somewhat committed to repping aces the whole way and trying to force him off pocket pairs (which I think make up a large chunk of his range) obviously the more middle-cardy the board gets then the more likely i'd be to abandon ship, I think this board though is just about the borderline of what I'd keep bombing at..

One thing you abso CANNOT do in this hand is use your hand as a bluff-catcher OTT, you should expect this turn to go chk/chk a LOT as his range is basically all bluff-catchers and aside from sets or funky two/pairs he's never got anything to VB, and a pair dominated range will have no reason to bluff, you should bet the turn again here, and set up to jam the river imo. You have a 6 as well, so you block some 66 combo's and you can expect to win on a K or a 6.

Once you chk turn river is a slam dunk chk/fold, he has hardly any air that he makkes it to the river with, if i had a penny for everytime id though "huh, whats this guy trying to rep" and called off when he's not trying to rep anything, he just has a good hand and is betting it. Maybe you folded and got show Ts 7s but even then it's still 100% the right fold.

If you gonna 3bet this pf you gotta be prepared to continue the agression post-flop, it's the biggest leak of pretty much everyone to be very aggressive pre-flop/on the flop, when peoples continuing ranges are much wider, and then much more passive on turns/rivers, where peoples continuing ranges are much narrower and your range SHOULD be stronger.

pre is good/fine? IDK if i like K6s in sb flatting range. I know i Def make more 3betting than by flatting (idk villains etc but in a vacuum). If betting flop would likely unload clip on that runout (villain has a lot of pair+draws he folds by end). As played fold.