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Level 1 of SCOOP 22 - L $27 buy in.

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Blinds 25/50 - Both hero and our villian are still on the starting stack of 10,000 exactly.

Hero is UTG +2 holds  Ahrt  Aspades

UTG and +1 fold, Hero opens to 150.

Folds to button who calls. both blinds fold.



Flop is Jd  8h 6h

Hero cbets for 300

Villian raises to 650

Hero calls

Other options - should we raise again here and protect out hand on this kind of wet board, or is pot controlling OOP fine? 

Pot stands at 1675

Turn  7h

Hero checks

Villian cont for 500

hero calls

All draws have got there bar 97 we have NF re-draw. Should we just peel or again do we have a raise option. Getting 4/1 on the call to.

Pot is now 2675

River  5h

Hero checks

Villian bets 3,450


Hero



We now face this overbet on the river. we have the nut flush but are still beaten by 2 cards in the deck. Do we have all 3 options avalible in this spot(shove/flat/fold)? Which of the 3 are best? And why should we do each of these lines. At best we're looking at  Kh Xh at worst we're beat by a random 9 or 4 of hearts. - does he have any in range. Why would he over bet this spot?

Fold pre  :hello:

As said initially i was snap shoving, but i suppose a call here as only hand we get called by is Kh and 9h who obv has us beat in game would defo be shoving tho

Fold, he has a straight flush all the time here

Would kind of expect a xh xh hand would bet it much bigger OTT, don't want to see another xh on the river.  As played pretty easy call, dont think you get called by worse by shoving and if he has the SF then nh sir.

That being said, this is a $27 scoop and I would expect the average opp to stack off with the  Kh a reasonable amount.

Think its close between calling and shoving depending on opp.

i'd expect this to never be the Kh. This bet is vpolarised to the Ahrt / straight flush or a bluff. Since we have the Ahrt, we beat no value hands. I'd fold, it's so obvious that he hopes you have the Ahrt and will pay a huge overbet, so let's exploit that and fold. People rarely bluff here.

Wp up till river, and obv can't blame you for calling, but I think it's a fold.

If you shove you are attempting to bluff him off the low end of the straight flush... seems pretty ludicrous to me

Im not suggesting we bluff anything, its a pretty easy call, and miiiigggghhhhttttttttt be a shove if we know the guy can call with worse.

really surprised you think people can play Kh/ Qh like this. we beat no hands he's betting for value, im sure of it. shoving would be absurd imo.

I honestly think he can turn up with worse than the  9h here.  Will be really hard to prove either way as I dont imagine there are a ton of this spots that come up.  If you can click the fold button then  ;hattip;

Wow I was told blonde was much better than my usual soarces, waited for a spot to post seems i picked a reasonable hand then :)

Thanks for some very good responces.

Yeah basically my thoughts at the time was pure stunned. Not going to denie this is above where i normally play, i also normally play 6 max on sky. Although i have played higher too. This was the first time ive ever found my self in a spot like this.

I left myself with a very narrow range and ended up sigh calling. even then after result im still not sure i was right. He did have the 9h for what its worth so i thought maybe i was thinking results oriented after. but i honestly see so few value hands in range

I have no problem with a sigh call here. I think his range does include more than just a straight flush, but I would never ever be raising here.

Fairly easy snapcall surely? And flop and turn play are perfect, no need to raise to protect your hand at all, you don't have much of a hand to protect! Especially on the turn, your hand is a bluffcatcher and drawing to improve. Expect to lose a lot but call anyway. Jamming would be spew, he's not calling with worse, at least by calling you get to see his hand when he is bluffing.

Pretty clear fold imo. Pretty optimistic to expect an unknown to overbet jam no SDV here attempting to rep the straight flush. If he has Kh/ Qh he'll just make a normal value bet.

In my experience he's just gunna show you a straight flush here almost always.

Easy fold on river. If you don't play online regularly against same pool of players you can just flop. It's gonna be really unprofitable from this point on. You have a bluff catcher that can't improve.

in a low scoop event where we get raised on this flop and he ends up shoving the river folding river would be real bad, so much bananas he can have.

Played nicely up to the river.

Firstly never ever shoving the river.  The conflict arises from the fact a tiny turn bet into an overbet on the river is so nutted in general it's scary.  On the other side of the coin Pleno is completely correct that in the low Scoops people do things which defy any sense of logic so staring at a betting pattern really doesn't matter.

I think it is a fold, the only thing that really makes sense from how he has bet it is T9 hearts (maybe J9hh or Tx9h although I think the later especially would be less likely).  But I've seen them turn up with all sorts in these spots so in game I'd end up flicking it in but it's just the nuts too much of the time to be technically correct imo.

Appreciate this goes against the thread title but...reasoning for calling the turn?

AA don't seem ahead a lot of the time anymore. This is why I would reraise the flop, but I like to make the game as simple as possible. Plenty of excuses for draws to shove if people are as bad as Pleno says.

Calling 500 for a heart seems to my mug eyes like a bad idea because you've still got to get paid if it comes, when there's a fair chance you have  Ahrt X.

As played, I think I'd like to fold. I also think I end up calling for fear of posting the hand on blonde and getting chastised.

we're getting 4/1 so surely if we're dead to a heart we're still getting the right odds? Im happy to take feedback on the hand in other spots tho as i said in OP. I mean if we're getting slightly +EV odds, even though its slight we dont need implied do we?

Or is this a reverse implied spot.

No you're correct. Though funnily enough it turned out to be a reverse implied spot because you hit your hand and still lost :D

But no, it's fine to call turn, like you said you're getting 4/1 (taking your word for it, havent checked myself!) so you have a roughly breakeven pot odds call, and you will get paid on the river a non0 amount if you get there for sure, even if its only a tiny bet, so its fine to call.