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Title: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: The Camel on May 21, 2013, 10:08:52 PM
So, I thought long and hard before putting this thread up.

I pretty much always sell at 1.2ish and I'm happy with that but as has been discussed all over the place the WSOP Main Event is unique.

I toyed with running an auction, but I'm not a huge fan of those and really I don't want to sell at less than 1.5 - I'd rather dig up the money somehow myself.

The standard of play is way below the level of a normal $10k event.

The year I went deep I didn't face a good player with position on me until late on day 5.

I would have been value that year at 3.0 - although to balance that, the year afterwards I had a very very difficult opening table and wouldn't have been good value at 1.0.

In years gone past when when my financial position was somewhat more healthy I have sold for this tournament at 2.0, and wouldn't have sold at any lower. I normally would rather swap.

Experience:

Played the main event around 12 times, only cashed once - 75th 2007 http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.php?a=r&n=29730 but also pure bubbled in about 2003 when I lost AA v QQ all in pre for a top 10 stack (that was fun I can assure you)

Have plenty of experience of playing multi day big tournaments with huge prize pools going deep in the 2009 WSOPE (11th), 2003 WPT Paris (8th) and final tabling the Master Classics of Poker in Amsterdam 3 times 1999, 2004 and 2006. Plus cashing that event in 2007 and 2011.

Complete record is here: http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=112

Also feel free to check my record on SharkScope - Stars username is "The Camel"

I couldn't be more motivated to play my best - I've recently moved house and that has been an extreme drain on my bankroll - I haven't played any big tournaments for a year or so - I even missed my beloved Amsterdam last autumn.

Since being humiliated by Sam Grafton in this hand http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=60492.0 I have worked extremely hard on my game - actually working harder than I ever before.

Played 2 live tournaments since and felt like I played really well in both and played my first online Sunday of the year this last weekend - going really deep in the Sunday 500 until losing QQ v AQ for a top 5 stack with about 80 left and ending up about 40th.

For full disclosure I have reserved around 15-20% for some people who regularly buy a piece and hopefully swap a little too. Will be playing for around 50%.

Going to lock in the exchange rate at today's xe mid point of 1.516

So

10% = $1500 or £990
5% =  $750 or £495
1% = $150 or £99

Payment preferred by bank transfer or cash in Vegas (I must have the $$$ before I play). Stars money is ok, but the other two methods suit me better.

Any money from endorsements (ha, who'd want to sponsor me?) will not be included in the payouts.

I think that's everything, all questions welcomed. As are jokes about vig - but only if they are funny.

Thanks for reading and good luck me!





Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: George2Loose on May 21, 2013, 10:12:39 PM
Gotta be the first. Vouches?


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: neeko on May 21, 2013, 10:13:26 PM
 1% pls


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: The Camel on May 21, 2013, 10:14:24 PM
Gotta be the first. Vouches?

Fail.

Said they had to be funny.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: The Camel on May 21, 2013, 10:15:19 PM
1% pls

Booked, thanks.

Will pm details later.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: The Camel on May 21, 2013, 10:42:17 PM
2.5% gone by PM.

21.5% left.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: DMorgan on May 21, 2013, 10:43:07 PM
1 please via Bank


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: claypole on May 21, 2013, 10:44:57 PM
2% pls keith - cash in Vegas or bank whatever is easieest


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: The Camel on May 21, 2013, 10:48:02 PM
1 please via Bank

Booked, thanks Dan.

Will PM later.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: The Camel on May 21, 2013, 10:50:01 PM
2% pls keith - cash in Vegas or bank whatever is easieest

Booked cheers Shaun.

Cash in Vegas definitely best.

Haven't booked a flight yet, but the plan is to fly over on the 1st or 2nd of July.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: claypole on May 21, 2013, 10:51:24 PM
2% pls keith - cash in Vegas or bank whatever is easieest

Booked cheers Shaun.

Cash in Vegas definitely best.

Haven't booked a flight yet, but the plan is to fly over on the 1st or 2nd of July.

Cool - we'll have dinner, I am there until 14th....I thoughth there was a remote chance youd be going ;)


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: The Camel on May 21, 2013, 10:52:55 PM
2% pls keith - cash in Vegas or bank whatever is easieest

Booked cheers Shaun.

Cash in Vegas definitely best.

Haven't booked a flight yet, but the plan is to fly over on the 1st or 2nd of July.

Cool - we'll have dinner, I am there until 14th....I thoughth there was a remote chance youd be going ;)

Boom!


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: booder on May 21, 2013, 11:00:40 PM
Would definately have taken a slice if i wasn't borassic. VBOL.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: The Camel on May 21, 2013, 11:02:11 PM
Would definately have taken a slice if i wasn't borassic. VBOL.

Thanks Boo, if I make the November 9 you'll be a freebie trip out to Vegas.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: scotty77 on May 22, 2013, 12:43:37 AM
1pc please and cash in Vegas


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: Royal Flush on May 22, 2013, 12:48:10 AM
rest


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: Royal Flush on May 22, 2013, 12:49:40 AM
Boom there is still some for sale. Cash in Vegas, kinda relies on me winning but don't you worry about that :)


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: The Camel on May 22, 2013, 12:50:28 AM
1pc please and cash in Vegas

Booked thanks Ryan


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5
Post by: The Camel on May 22, 2013, 12:53:11 AM
Boom there is still some for sale. Cash in Vegas, kinda relies on me winning but don't you worry about that :)

Ha, you better win then boy.

Booked for 17.5%


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: The Camel on May 22, 2013, 12:58:32 AM
Sold out, thanks guys.

I appreciate 1.5 seems high, but I honestly believe my edge in this tournament is more like 2.0, there are hoards of players who not only cannot win, but literally cannot cash.

Table draw is key, more key than any other tournament imo, as tables regularly stay unbroken all day with no one busting.

If a couple of people turn down the shares I've reserved for them, I might re open and sell a few % more, but that will likely be towards the middle/end of June.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: Royal Flush on May 22, 2013, 01:10:59 AM
Sold out, thanks guys.

I appreciate 1.5 seems high, but I honestly believe my edge in this tournament is more like 2.0, there are hoards of players who not only cannot win, but literally cannot cash.

1.5 is low imo


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: The Camel on May 22, 2013, 01:14:34 AM
Sold out, thanks guys.

I appreciate 1.5 seems high, but I honestly believe my edge in this tournament is more like 2.0, there are hoards of players who not only cannot win, but literally cannot cash.

1.5 is low imo

What is the highest mark up you've paid for a share in the Main?


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: Tal on May 22, 2013, 01:15:49 AM
Well sold, Camel.

Looking forward to the associated funk thread in a few weeks


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: Royal Flush on May 22, 2013, 01:20:43 AM
Sold out, thanks guys.

I appreciate 1.5 seems high, but I honestly believe my edge in this tournament is more like 2.0, there are hoards of players who not only cannot win, but literally cannot cash.

1.5 is low imo

What is the highest mark up you've paid for a share in the Main?

Good question, think 2.0 but would pay a lot more for the right people.

What i would look for most is obviously technically good players but there are a ton of them, dream horse has experience in super slow deep tournaments, ideally a deep run in the ME previously. They would also need a high level of maturity, these guys who go off because Joe the farmer called with a gutshot and cant refocus have 0 interest to me. Finally someone who understands the basic fundamentals of poker that so many pros don't, play pots against the fish, not 6 bet each-other because its such an obvious cold 5 spot blah blah


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: The Camel on May 22, 2013, 01:29:34 AM
Sold out, thanks guys.

I appreciate 1.5 seems high, but I honestly believe my edge in this tournament is more like 2.0, there are hoards of players who not only cannot win, but literally cannot cash.

1.5 is low imo

What is the highest mark up you've paid for a share in the Main?

Good question, think 2.0 but would pay a lot more for the right people.

What i would look for most is obviously technically good players but there are a ton of them, dream horse has experience in super slow deep tournaments, ideally a deep run in the ME previously. They would also need a high level of maturity, these guys who go off because Joe the farmer called with a gutshot and cant refocus have 0 interest to me. Finally someone who understands the basic fundamentals of poker that so many pros don't, play pots against the fish, not 6 bet each-other because its such an obvious cold 5 spot blah blah

Remember Max Heinzelmann 7 betting allin v Shaun Deeb a couple of years ago with A6? He had like 250 bbs.

Made me feel almost physically sick!

Agree that a calm temperament is so important in this tournament.



Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: Royal Flush on May 22, 2013, 01:35:36 AM
Sold out, thanks guys.

I appreciate 1.5 seems high, but I honestly believe my edge in this tournament is more like 2.0, there are hoards of players who not only cannot win, but literally cannot cash.

1.5 is low imo

What is the highest mark up you've paid for a share in the Main?

Good question, think 2.0 but would pay a lot more for the right people.

What i would look for most is obviously technically good players but there are a ton of them, dream horse has experience in super slow deep tournaments, ideally a deep run in the ME previously. They would also need a high level of maturity, these guys who go off because Joe the farmer called with a gutshot and cant refocus have 0 interest to me. Finally someone who understands the basic fundamentals of poker that so many pros don't, play pots against the fish, not 6 bet each-other because its such an obvious cold 5 spot blah blah

Remember Max Heinzelmann 7 betting allin v Shaun Deeb a couple of years ago with A6? He had like 250 bbs.

Made me feel almost physically sick!

Agree that a calm temperament is so important in this tournament.



Ha yeah i think it basically makes him the worst player in the tournament as he lacks the very fundamental understanding of why he is there.

The temperament is so key, took me a fair amount of experience to get it when playing live but now i do, near unflappable which is key when in this tournament some truly fucked up shit will happen to you, last year i lost 3 ridic pots on day 3 that 3 years earlier would have seen me bust for sure but i just carried on like nothing had happened. That right there is a big part of the edge in this particular tournament.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: cambridgealex on May 22, 2013, 01:48:26 AM
Best of luck Keith, see you out there.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: The Camel on May 22, 2013, 02:12:03 AM
Best of luck Keith, see you out there.

Thanks Alex, good luck out there.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: Boba Fett on May 22, 2013, 02:58:14 AM
I appreciate 1.5 seems high, but I honestly believe my edge in this tournament is more like 2.0, there are hoards of players who not only cannot win, but literally cannot cash.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: dreenie on May 22, 2013, 10:56:46 AM
Very best of luck Keith, u deserve to win it all x


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: bobAlike on May 22, 2013, 12:26:57 PM
On reserve list please Keith if it becomes available. Best of luck out there.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: I KNOW IT on May 22, 2013, 04:57:57 PM
Very best of luck Keith, I'd love to see you do well in this event


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: redsimon on May 28, 2013, 11:20:07 PM
On reserve list please Keith if it becomes available. Best of luck out there.

plus 1

if I can't get a piece 5% of Seniors? :)


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: The Camel on May 28, 2013, 11:21:42 PM
On reserve list please Keith if it becomes available. Best of luck out there.

plus 1

if I can't get a piece 5% of Seniors? :)

2019.

Counting down the days, hope its at least a 3k event by then.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: redsimon on May 28, 2013, 11:26:59 PM
oops aged you lol. I qualify this year :)


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: claypole on May 29, 2013, 04:21:58 PM
Ship as per PM...win the lot and glgl


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: tikay on July 05, 2013, 07:40:39 AM

PAID in cash, in Vegas.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: The Camel on July 07, 2013, 06:30:59 PM
Playing 1c tomorrow.


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: redsimon on July 07, 2013, 07:16:37 PM
VBOL


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: DMorgan on July 08, 2013, 01:20:21 AM
gl Keith


Title: Re: WSOP Main Event - Selling 25% @ 1.5 - SOLD OUT
Post by: The Camel on July 09, 2013, 07:47:30 PM
No good I'm afraid.

In short folded top two v Mike Mizrachi on the river, which everyone seems to think was a mistake but I'm still pretty sure he had me.

Then top set v KK 60k pot.

He made runner runner straight.

Pretty devastated.

Had 1 amazing table, and when that broke, the new one was ok too.