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Playing about 40% of hands and my image is completely nuts. Got seated with a fish to my direct right who was limping a lot and generally playing terribly. Played a hand earlier where he limped sb I raised bb and 3barrel bluffed on Qx 9c 3c Qc Ax, he had Q9xx. Villain has been decently tight and only seen one notable showdown where he 3b small with AKJ5ds btn vs co and took a smart line postflop.


PokerStars - Omaha Tournament - $30/60 Blinds - 5 Players
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zivziv (BB): $4,709
jonstarz (UTG): $5,375
deuces85 (CO): $4,786
Riverlan_88 (BTN): $5,028
Patonius2000 (SB): $4,417

Pre-flop: Dealt to Patonius2000 Kc 7h Kd 9h
(2 folds), Riverlan_88 raises to $150, Patonius2000 calls $120, zivziv calls $90

Flop: ($450) 3d Jc Ks (3 Players)
Patonius2000 bets $317, (1 folds), Riverlan_88 calls $317

Turn: ($1,084) 6h (2 Players)
Patonius2000 bets $734, Riverlan_88 calls $734

River: ($2,552) 2d (2 Players)
Patonius2000 bets $2,183, Riverlan_88 raises to $3,827 and is all-in,

1033 to call, so we're getting 9/1 on a river call for our TOURNAMENT LIFE!

how can we fold. if you truly do look like a nutter on the table, villain will be piling all worse triplets possibly even 2pairs Kx, thin for combos but still possible. your hand can look like a missed wrap hand but i wouldnt ever expect to see it this early on. who knows how they perceive you.
would it be possible with the hand swapped and say you had  Js Jd 7h 9h you would ship OTR when villain leads if they had your image? it could be a very trappy line and flat flat pot on rainbow dry textures, especially when you can never have nuts taking your line.

even though this is always something i cant even think of that play here, you prob get shown double suited double holdem hands  4s Qs 5h Th.

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I realise this doesn't help now, but potting river would have left you with odds where you could never consider folding to a shove (if 9/1 doesn't already do that for you :)).

But maybe that's not a good thing if you can correctly make this bet and somehow fold to a jam, still it would make life easier...

suggestion that our opponeont plays 2pairs like this are defo misguided, I could prolly be persauded that you'll see some smaller trips here(well just JJ really) once in a blue moon.

Gross spot.

So hard for both of you to have 45 though...

Feels icky. Think I call but I just can't see a single hand he can have here, and I'm a curious George. He doesn't have to turn up with JJ or some random shite very often for you to have a profitable call, I guess.

Icky.

No way is this foldable. There are so few combos of hands that plausibly have 45 in them, you're getting great odds, he can plausibly have worse hands for value, this isn't *never* a bluff, and having a 1k stack isn't much of a tournament life to care that deeply about preserving.

Fwiw I don't think he shoves a worse hand for value, and I think it'd be pretty stupid for him to do that too given how polarized I am/look. The hard time I was having otr is that a lot of his hands should have SD value so for him to be bluffing he has to have exactly a no pair draw, and there aren't many that call twice on this board. Also he opened the button so QT54/JJ54/KJ54/K54x combos are credible.

He still has to have backdoored it.

I know it's awesome to be a hero but this isn't the right spot. If you pay him off it was still very unlikely he had the implied odds to call you down.

surely if you're polarised he has a decent shove against the bottom of your range with a range which is slightly worse?

like - it's hard for you *also* to have no pair no draw hand, so the bottom of your range might be some stuff he can make you fold that he can't beat...

I can remember two spots in my life where I've tried to bluff similar sizing in villains' shoes.

Neither worked.

just ebcause it's a bad bluff (maybe, not really sure I've thought about the spot enough) doesn't mean he can't be doing it though.

i think he has to show up with some crock of shite so infrequently (or a value hand, which Im more conv he can't have because we're polarised) that we have a profitable call either way.

I agree, was making the point that it is possible for villain to be bluffing here.

Obviously the better odds we're being given by villain, the less likely he thinks we are to fold, so the more likely he is to have a value hand; but that also means he can be jamming a wider value range, including middle set that he thinks he's underrepped. I don't think it's that important that we're polarized, as we're relying on villain to understand that. Maybe his plan was to call/call/jam basically any runout that didn't make a straight and he thinks we're gonna call it off with top pair because we're bad at poker.

from what I can see of Villain (what the internet says) he probably doesn't understand underrepped or polarised.

if he was the kind of villain that did (and from what I googled for the OP, don't know him but pha stuff seems solid) then he's quite unlikely to suspect that we're bad at poker.

makes a call even clearer for me tbh.

hm river seems like a check/jam?

as played would fold river.

We also know that he slowplayed a good made hand on two streets, btw.

Yeah c/jam river is decent. In game I just fist pump bet big since I thought it was the best exploitive line. If I knew he was going to turn some things in to a bluff or rarely hero call me then c/jam is best. With my image though I think I get heroed a lot, particularly when the straight gets there which is pretty difficult for me to have. I think a lot of the time in PLO tournaments people don't like to give you credit for value betting none nuts like this whereas in a cash game most thinking players could easily give you KJ+ for a value range.

what hands do we expect him to check back river that would call a bet? surely we can find more combos of wraps and maybe Jx hands that decide to bluff? Assuming we bets bottom set himself that is.

Sets (but probably not), all two pairs, Jx and the last K. If the guy had a sick opr or was someone I had a reason to have a lot of respect for I'd give him credit for value betting thin and be more likely to check but I thought he was checking back most of his range here. Of course I could've been completely wrong about this.

I would just bet this as standard for the reasons you've given. I think if there's any variation in what we do it has to be sizing, we might get calls from weaker hands if we bet smaller.

I've never caught anyone bluffing here in a tournament ever

Do you think no-one ever piles worse for value in this spot then?

yep.

TBH in a generic mid-stakes cash game once played this way I think your stnd villain will just call JJ here OTR. That's just how people play Omaha "no nuts = no raise"

I disagree, I think even some recreational players these days will think 'my hand is underrepped and it's so difficult for him to have the backdoor straight'. It's not your typical 'no nuts = no raise' situation as there's so little back.

Kind of agreed to this !