Title: Vic River Decision Post by: jjandellis on June 05, 2013, 03:05:12 PM Background
Playing for 4 hours at 1/1 @ The Vic...so probs only about 100 hands. 9 handed, my half the table all capable players, the other half a mix of donks and super nits. My image? I kinda sullied it early doors, bluffing on superwet board with vg Frenchie (I know!) calling me off with A high. Its done me wonders, as I've been paid in future pots...although there have also been the usual 'fold to your bluff' type remarks. Villain is American; has very flatteringly stated he's a little shocked at the standard of plays from our end of the table..for a 1/1 game. He's also said he's finding it difficult to assign ranges to me. I guess I'm viewed a little LAG. The Hand EP caller and then Folds around to supernit on btn who raises to 6 I'm in SB with Ad Ahrt - I raise to 16 Villain in BB calls EP folds Btn calls Pot £49 Flop: Ac 3d 5s I lead out for £20 Villain flats Btn Folds Pot £89 Turn: 9s I check to induce Villain checks behind River: 2h I put out a bet of £40 Villain dwells, shoves in £94 total Pot is £223 We? What's he got? Title: Re: Vic River Decision Post by: BulldozerD on June 05, 2013, 05:42:26 PM well i'm not folding
bet something on the turn, so you can jam river. yeah he could have 4s but could also have all the other sets and even 2 pairs i suspect a 50p moment Title: Re: Vic River Decision Post by: tight4better on June 05, 2013, 06:25:44 PM Snapping without a second thought.
Would prefer you to bet turn with your image. Probably looks weirder with a LAG image when you check than when you bet, also checking to induce doesn't really work against nits because they like pot controlling and checking streets (espec the turn after facing c-bet/shutdown) in the weirdest spots, especially live players. Title: Re: Vic River Decision Post by: theprawnidentity on June 05, 2013, 07:57:11 PM Doubt he has a shed load of 4's in his range. If he does, cooler_bro!!!
Title: Re: Vic River Decision Post by: SuuPRlim on June 05, 2013, 09:47:48 PM turn check is really bad - what are we trying to induce from? Pretty much only "air" he can have is 64 and 67, everything is just a pair prolly, value in this hand is from hero-calls, not inducing spazzy bluffs on such a dry board, unlikely he's gonna have much of a hand EVER cos we have 3 of the 4 aces.
Very common thing this in live cash games, where people think "gonna trap check" but in order to trap your opponent needs to have either a lot of "air/draws" in his range which he'll bluff or semi-bluff with, or have a wider range for value when you check. This DEFO DEFO DEFO not one of those spots. Just bet your hands people! Title: Re: Vic River Decision Post by: muckthenuts on June 05, 2013, 11:59:39 PM Go bigger pre because why not, and i'd prefer checking the flop.
Title: Re: Vic River Decision Post by: Vinodh on June 06, 2013, 09:34:45 AM turn check is really bad - what are we trying to induce from? Pretty much only "air" he can have is 64 and 67, everything is just a pair prolly, value in this hand is from hero-calls, not inducing spazzy bluffs on such a dry board, unlikely he's gonna have much of a hand EVER cos we have 3 of the 4 aces. Very common thing this in live cash games, where people think "gonna trap check" but in order to trap your opponent needs to have either a lot of "air/draws" in his range which he'll bluff or semi-bluff with, or have a wider range for value when you check. This DEFO DEFO DEFO not one of those spots. Just bet your hands people! Yeah I normally barrel away and go for max value, but my feeling was that he'd think 'I was at it on the flop' and by checking the turn it appeared I was giving up...so he could try taking the pot away. Didn't quite work like that lol I think I was right in calling as not many hands beating me. And what did he SHOW? Title: Re: Vic River Decision Post by: wazz on June 06, 2013, 09:41:39 AM What lildave said.
A4 makes a lot of sense. However, it's very difficult for you to have a 4, so villain (especially if he's bad/fpsy) might raise the river with two pair or a set, thinking he's getting value from AK. Without having good reason to believe the above, though, I generally fold, because they always have it live when they raise the river. Title: Re: Vic River Decision Post by: Tal on June 06, 2013, 10:18:14 AM Call the river as played, but I'd definitely bet the turn.
If he shows Ks 4s for a float on the flop or something equally bizarre, give the man his money. Raise on the end is unlikely to be a bluff but you have no fours in your range, so why wouldn't he jam with lower sets? 99 and 22 play the hand the same way. 4/1 on the call, so get it in. Title: Re: Vic River Decision Post by: david3103 on June 06, 2013, 12:43:13 PM £22 minimum pre
That makes it easier to bet £30+ on flop and get another £50 in on turn He may well have a 4 but we've made it very easy for him to get there with 64 etc and now we have to pay him if that's his holding but he has a lot more two pairs and undersets in his range here. General standard of play in the £1/£1 game at the Vic is poor. Even I can make money there. Limp, call, call, fold is common and they frequently overvalue TPTK and two pair hands. Title: Re: Vic River Decision Post by: AlexMartin on June 07, 2013, 01:51:46 AM if this was higher stakes or tougher regs, checking turn with your entire range to strengthen your c/c range and allow him to follow-up his floats would be good. As played and esp with your image betting extracts a tonne of value ott given people are more likely to call wider and bluff less.
Title: Re: Vic River Decision Post by: dakky on June 08, 2013, 02:47:28 AM if this was higher stakes or tougher regs, checking turn with your entire range to strengthen your c/c range and allow him to follow-up his floats would be good. As played and esp with your image betting extracts a tonne of value ott given people are more likely to call wider and bluff less. I kind of like this if likely to want to balance cos of either this session liekly to be a long one or going to play with villans again. Also can't see many reasons for going so small pre |