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Title: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: kinboshi on June 08, 2013, 07:56:38 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/07/vitamins-stop-taking-the-pills

Up until about 5 years ago I used to waste a lot of money on vitamins andoother supplements. Read Bad Science (by Ben Goldacre) and other stuff on the subject and saw that I'd had my proverbial pants pulled down by the sellers of these supplements.

Since then I've always considered them harmless, just a waste of money. But quite a bit of evidence that taking too many supplements could harm more than just your wallet.


Title: Re: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: Ant040689 on June 08, 2013, 09:04:53 AM
"If researchers find that dietary supplements don't work or have harmful side-effects, they publish their results in scientific journals. No product recall. No change in the label. No warnings. If people don't read scientific journals, they won't know that claims on the label are false."

So it can be like the wild west in this industry then?

A great read, ty for putting it up. Omega-3 acids then are the only supplements of any use to a man? Interesting.


Title: Re: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: byronkincaid on June 08, 2013, 11:21:09 AM
what about vitamin D? haven't there been eleventy billion studies that all say we don't get enough?


Title: Re: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: Laxie on June 08, 2013, 11:31:09 AM
That's a few more quid saved in the month, ta.


Title: Re: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: wazz on June 08, 2013, 01:58:21 PM
what about vitamin D? haven't there been eleventy billion studies that all say we don't get enough?

There probably have, but the layman (and even though I've read up on this a decent amount and have a healthy interest in the subject, I have to still consider myself one) cannot disseminate the information from these studies, and we don't know the results of the studies that haven't been published.

Your best approach is a 'bayesian' one, infused with a healthy dose of common sense. We know that smoking is bad. Why? Well, apart from the sort of obvious idea that inhaling the result of burning stuff is going to be bad for you, we have 40 years of empirical and anecdotal evidence and only wackjobs claiming that it's not. It's got to the point where we can now say with some confidence that too much salt is bad for you, but even in this regard there's a lot of confusion. How much salt is too much? Could we do away with salt entirely?

There are three ingredients in food that are generally responsible for good flavour: salt, fat, and sugar. Too much of any of them is bad for you and the media have made sure you know it. The result is that food manufacturers (ready meals, chocolate bars, crisps, etc etc) often advertise their product based on one of those three things being reduced or entirely free from, but to make sure it tastes good, they usually bump the sh** out of the other two, meaning that many of the products you see on the shelves saying 'fat-free' or 'reduced salt' could be very, very unhealthy.

NoahSD is the nuts and he made a very good blog entry about this topic a while ago:

http://www.nsdpoker.com/2011/02/human_body/


Title: Re: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: AndrewT on June 08, 2013, 02:03:52 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/07/vitamins-stop-taking-the-pills

Up until about 5 years ago I used to waste a lot of money on vitamins andoother supplements. Read Bad Science (by Ben Goldacre) and other stuff on the subject and saw that I'd had my proverbial pants pulled down by the sellers of these supplements.

Since then I've always considered them harmless, just a waste of money. But quite a bit of evidence that taking too many supplements could harm more than just your wallet.

Thanks for alerting me to this Boshi - gonna throw out all my vitamins and replace them with homeopathic pills, at least I know they're not going to do me any harm.


Title: Re: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: kinboshi on June 08, 2013, 02:52:49 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/07/vitamins-stop-taking-the-pills

Up until about 5 years ago I used to waste a lot of money on vitamins andoother supplements. Read Bad Science (by Ben Goldacre) and other stuff on the subject and saw that I'd had my proverbial pants pulled down by the sellers of these supplements.

Since then I've always considered them harmless, just a waste of money. But quite a bit of evidence that taking too many supplements could harm more than just your wallet.

Thanks for alerting me to this Boshi - gonna throw out all my vitamins and replace them with homeopathic pills, at least I know they're not going to do me any harm.

Yes, they'll only hurt your wallet. Oh, and make you look like a twat :D


Title: Re: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: RED-DOG on June 08, 2013, 06:16:30 PM
You mean to tell me I don't need bifidus regularis after all?

Damn you Dannon!   ;grr;


Title: Re: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: kinboshi on June 08, 2013, 06:32:31 PM
what about vitamin D? haven't there been eleventy billion studies that all say we don't get enough?


Not sure, but studies have said that a high percentage of people in the UK don't get enough. Will be interesting to see what the book says about it.


Title: Re: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: curnow on June 08, 2013, 08:22:09 PM
that quack is a pediatrician , love the way the press make out he is the expert in this


Title: Re: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: Jon MW on June 08, 2013, 09:16:45 PM
that quack is a pediatrician , love the way the press make out he is the expert in this

I'm not sure you can specialise in vitamins and minerals when you do a medical degree can you?


Title: Re: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: Woodsey on June 08, 2013, 10:12:22 PM
that quack is a pediatrician , love the way the press make out he is the expert in this

He might be, a lot of them pick a couple of areas of interest to them to focus on within their given field.


Title: Re: Supplementary Evidence
Post by: byronkincaid on October 17, 2013, 12:17:36 PM
The problem with taking too many vitamins

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24563590