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Title: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Woodsey on June 24, 2013, 11:23:29 PM
Let the banter begin  :D

If you are 35+ you are probably a fish right?


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: EvilPie on June 24, 2013, 11:25:25 PM
Can't be arsed with that debate but your avatar's mint :D


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Woodsey on June 24, 2013, 11:26:22 PM
Can't be arsed with that debate but your avatar's mint :D


You are old though, and the kids think they are better than you, you need to have a word mate  ;D


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: david3103 on June 24, 2013, 11:35:35 PM
Being over 35 doesn't make you old.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Woodsey on June 24, 2013, 11:39:29 PM
Being over 35 doesn't make you old.

Depends on the person asking your age  :)

I'm 42 and old to a 25 yo, but young to a 65 yo.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: david3103 on June 25, 2013, 12:31:31 AM
Being over 35 doesn't make you old.

Depends on the person asking your age  :)

I'm 42 and old to a 25 yo, but young to a 65 yo.

being older isn't the same as being old though.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Woodsey on June 25, 2013, 12:43:53 AM
Being over 35 doesn't make you old.

Depends on the person asking your age  :)

I'm 42 and old to a 25 yo, but young to a 65 yo.

being older isn't the same as being old though.

Lets see what the kidzzzz say about old people's pokers skills, we are all shite mate lol. ;D


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: cambridgealex on June 25, 2013, 01:09:45 AM
You have an obsession with this debate Woodsey :D

Perhaps a complex?!  ;ifm;

Saw this on twitter this morning, very true...

"Can any1 explain this. No one gets offended when 1 says "I hate kids"(or babies) yet insert any other demographic and they look like a bigot"


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Woodsey on June 25, 2013, 01:11:09 AM
You have an obsession with this debate Woodsey :D

Perhaps a complex?!  ;ifm;

Saw this on twitter this morning, very true...

"Can any1 explain this. No one gets offended when 1 says "I hate kids"(or babies) yet insert any other demographic and they look like a bigot"

Just like a bit of a wind up mate, this happens to be a great topic for fishing  ;)


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: LeKnave on June 25, 2013, 01:49:20 AM
theres a lot of good players over 35, just the other week Rick Trigg got 2nd at DTD.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: SuuPRlim on June 25, 2013, 02:53:13 AM
i have never in my life thought "this old guy sat down must be terrrible" but i guarantee plenty of older players have sat with me and thought "this young kid thinks he knows everything doesn't realise I way playing poker before he came out of his dad's cock" (an actual quote i heard last week lol) when in actual fact I was very likely showing him a lot of respect.

Some of the people I have the most respect for in poker, (Stu Barnett, Julian Garder, Ben Roberts etc) are all over 30 and I'm sure if you asked any of them they'd say most of the younger guys show them a lot of respect (with good reason) obviously there are a few young upstarts about with ego's above their station but there are those in every demographic. I struggle to respect the games of older players who don't play the game as well and spend half their energy complaining that the younger guys don't respect them - got nothing whatsoever to do with their age and nothing personal AT ALL I just don't rate the way they approach or play the game.

I might be younger (although even I'm becoming more old-school nowadays lol) but I spent a LOT of time and work on all aspects of poker and have had a lot of successes and failures just like anyone else, if you're not going to respect me for that I will struggle to reciprocate.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: SirPerceval on June 25, 2013, 09:05:35 AM
I remember sitting down at a table in my late 20's (I'm 42) and some old bloke says "I guess you are one of these new internet kids huh?" lol


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: THISnTHAT on June 25, 2013, 10:18:40 AM
As I started playing poker 6 yrs ago and I'm now 48 suppose I'm the old git !!
but to me doesn't matter if you are 18 or 60 still treat everyone the same and try and get there chips LOL


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: kinboshi on June 25, 2013, 10:59:41 AM
Tikay thinks that EVERYONE at the table is a young kid.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Longy on June 25, 2013, 12:16:01 PM
Phil Ivey is 37, so that must be the nut age.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: theprawnidentity on June 25, 2013, 01:04:47 PM
If you are 35+ you are probably a fish right?

(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/fish-bait-hook-28725389.jpg)


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: JoeDiego on June 25, 2013, 03:22:42 PM
I just think it'll be hilarious in 20 years when everyone plays aggro and the oldsters are just as wild as the kids.
Maybe the newer generation will adjust and all he nits to complete the twilight zone feel.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Claw75 on June 25, 2013, 03:32:35 PM
Phil Ivey is 37, so that must be the nut age.

Can confirm that all the best people are 37


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: kinboshi on June 25, 2013, 05:38:57 PM
Phil Ivey is 37, so that must be the nut age.

Can confirm that all the best people are 37 or 38

FYP


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: RED-DOG on June 25, 2013, 06:21:12 PM
Phil Ivey is 37, so that must be the nut age.

Can confirm that all the best people used to be 37 or 38

FYP

FYP


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: pleno1 on June 25, 2013, 10:17:08 PM
I'm on a table with 8 guys over 50 all of which are bad holder.

Doubt you ever get a table of 9 young guys who are all bad.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Young_gun on June 25, 2013, 10:19:47 PM
I am 25 look 35 +, tis good for me as i get alot of respect until i abuse them too much  ;D


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Woodsey on June 25, 2013, 10:38:15 PM
I'm on a table with 8 guys over 50 all of which are bad holder.

Doubt you ever get a table of 9 young guys who are all bad.

 ;D


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: JK on June 26, 2013, 07:07:13 AM
Even though you are just poking the fire with a stick covered in petrol Woodsey, I like this subject so will reply with my thoughts. I mean no offence and I hope people don't get offended if I call their age group "old" (most people are old to me on here, Im only 23 ffs XD).

Poker used to be an old mans game. You'd learn the game when you were young maybe, but wouldn't play till you were 40+. Nowadays, poker is alot more diverse in the age groups playing, if not more skewed to young people.

Its a fact of life that young people pick up things faster than older people. It is also a fact that the game has been analysed MASSIVELY in the past few years, with access to this information readily available for anyone who is willing to give time to seek it. If there are more people learning now than before (which is without question), and there are more young people learning than older (which there are), these people are learning much better fundamentals than before, meaning they will develop into better players.

Et voila.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Steve Swift on June 26, 2013, 09:46:58 AM
MBN being 23, I think I have a pair of socks older than that :)


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Woodsey on June 26, 2013, 10:03:20 AM
Even though you are just poking the fire with a stick covered in petrol Woodsey, I like this subject so will reply with my thoughts. I mean no offence and I hope people don't get offended if I call their age group "old" (most people are old to me on here, Im only 23 ffs XD).

Poker used to be an old mans game. You'd learn the game when you were young maybe, but wouldn't play till you were 40+. Nowadays, poker is alot more diverse in the age groups playing, if not more skewed to young people.

Its a fact of life that young people pick up things faster than older people. It is also a fact that the game has been analysed MASSIVELY in the past few years, with access to this information readily available for anyone who is willing to give time to seek it. If there are more people learning now than before (which is without question), and there are more young people learning than older (which there are), these people are learning much better fundamentals than before, meaning they will develop into better players.

Et voila.

Whilst I was just having a bit of a wind up with this thread, its obvious younger players are better but I don't think its for the reasons you give. I gotta go to work now so can't write much, but I think its more to do with the fact that most of the bright older people who might succeed in poker are already in successful careers, have commitments and family, so spending all their time learning a new hobby/potential job that they have a good chance of failing (as with anyone playing poker) it is just not a viable option for most.

You young lads mostly don't have that so can take the risk. Yes there are some exceptions in both groups, but that is broadly speaking the case.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: kinboshi on June 26, 2013, 11:44:53 AM
Even though you are just poking the fire with a stick covered in petrol Woodsey, I like this subject so will reply with my thoughts. I mean no offence and I hope people don't get offended if I call their age group "old" (most people are old to me on here, Im only 23 ffs XD).

Poker used to be an old mans game. You'd learn the game when you were young maybe, but wouldn't play till you were 40+. Nowadays, poker is alot more diverse in the age groups playing, if not more skewed to young people.

Its a fact of life that young people pick up things faster than older people. It is also a fact that the game has been analysed MASSIVELY in the past few years, with access to this information readily available for anyone who is willing to give time to seek it. If there are more people learning now than before (which is without question), and there are more young people learning than older (which there are), these people are learning much better fundamentals than before, meaning they will develop into better players.

Et voila.

Whilst I was just having a bit of a wind up with this thread, its obvious younger players are better but I don't think its for the reasons you give. I gotta go to work now so can't write much, but I think its more to do with the fact that most of the bright older people who might succeed in poker are already in successful careers, have commitments and family, so spending all their time learning a new hobby/potential job that they have a good chance of failing (as with anyone playing poker) it is just not a viable option for most.

You young lads mostly don't have that so can take the risk. Yes there are some exceptions in both groups, but that is broadly speaking the case.

Both saying the same thing basically.  The young guns have the time and dedication to study the game and analyse the information available.  Far fewer 'older' people have the time (because of other commitments), and therefore the ones that do stand out. The 'risk' factor is definitely a consideration.

I also think that there are a lot of 'older' players who haven't adapted as much as they could have over the years, and have been 'left-behind' somewhat.  Again, the ones that have adapted stand out.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 26, 2013, 12:09:36 PM
I agree kids generally have the time and willingness to dedicate to intensive learning and thus have a better opportunity to nail optimum theory. But that's to say optimum theory is the only attribute with value in poker. Older guys with decent theory might well have better patience & emotional control at the table. So if they both sit down to play a single live MTT across multiple days who is better equipped for success? It's about having the right blend of ingredients and I don't think the perfect blend is associated with either age group.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Jon MW on June 26, 2013, 12:25:10 PM
I agree kids generally have the time and willingness to dedicate to intensive learning and thus have a better opportunity to nail optimum theory. But that's to say optimum theory is the only attribute with value in poker. Older guys with decent theory might well have better patience & emotional control at the table. So if they both sit down to play a single live MTT across multiple days who is better equipped for success? It's about having the right blend of ingredients and I don't think the perfect blend is associated with either age group.

surely optimum theory takes into account patience and emotional control? Otherwise - it isn't optimal?


If they're not taking in to account all the variables then they're just doing sub standard maths.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 26, 2013, 12:31:22 PM
I agree kids generally have the time and willingness to dedicate to intensive learning and thus have a better opportunity to nail optimum theory. But that's to say optimum theory is the only attribute with value in poker. Older guys with decent theory might well have better patience & emotional control at the table. So if they both sit down to play a single live MTT across multiple days who is better equipped for success? It's about having the right blend of ingredients and I don't think the perfect blend is associated with either age group.

surely optimum theory takes into account patience and emotional control? Otherwise - it isn't optimal?


If they're not taking in to account all the variables then they're just doing sub standard maths.

When my mrs was learning to drive she absorbed every bit of information about how to drive a car safely on the road, she read the highway code cover to cover, and passed her theory test with flying colours.

On her actual driving test she was very nervous and drove out of the test centre and into a lamp post.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: kinboshi on June 26, 2013, 04:29:13 PM
I agree kids generally have the time and willingness to dedicate to intensive learning and thus have a better opportunity to nail optimum theory. But that's to say optimum theory is the only attribute with value in poker. Older guys with decent theory might well have better patience & emotional control at the table. So if they both sit down to play a single live MTT across multiple days who is better equipped for success? It's about having the right blend of ingredients and I don't think the perfect blend is associated with either age group.

surely optimum theory takes into account patience and emotional control? Otherwise - it isn't optimal?


If they're not taking in to account all the variables then they're just doing sub standard maths.

When my mrs was learning to drive she absorbed every bit of information about how to drive a car safely on the road, she read the highway code cover to cover, and passed her theory test with flying colours.

On her actual driving test she was very nervous and drove out of the test centre and into a lamp post.

<insert sexist joke here>


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: theprawnidentity on June 26, 2013, 04:53:35 PM
I agree kids generally have the time and willingness to dedicate to intensive learning and thus have a better opportunity to nail optimum theory. But that's to say optimum theory is the only attribute with value in poker. Older guys with decent theory might well have better patience & emotional control at the table. So if they both sit down to play a single live MTT across multiple days who is better equipped for success? It's about having the right blend of ingredients and I don't think the perfect blend is associated with either age group.

surely optimum theory takes into account patience and emotional control? Otherwise - it isn't optimal?


If they're not taking in to account all the variables then they're just doing sub standard maths.

When my mrs was learning to drive she absorbed every bit of information about how to drive a car safely on the road, she read the highway code cover to cover, and passed her theory test with flying colours.

On her actual driving test she was very nervous and drove out of the test centre and into a lamp post.

It came from nowhere!!!!


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Honeybadger on June 26, 2013, 07:22:13 PM
I'm on a table with 8 guys over 50 all of which are bad holder.

Doubt you ever get a table of 9 young guys who are all bad.

Young people tend to be better at making posts from their iPhones. But this is a huge generalisation, as evvry pst froom Plenu1 prouves.


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: kinboshi on June 26, 2013, 07:24:13 PM
I'm on a table with 8 guys over 50 all of which are bad holder.

Doubt you ever get a table of 9 young guys who are all bad.

Young people tend to be better at making posts from their iPhones. But this is a huge generalisation, as evvry pst froom Plenu1 prouves.

WINNER!


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: EvilPie on June 27, 2013, 12:13:05 AM
I'm on a table with 8 guys over 50 all of which are bad holder.

Doubt you ever get a table of 9 young guys who are all bad.


Maybe because most young guys who aren't trying to make a living out of poker have got better things to do than sit at a poker table for 12 hours a day?

The proportion of pros to recs is obviously much higher in young people because let's face it poker as a hobby is not a young man's game.

Drinking and shagging is what young guys should be out doing. Old guys have been there, done that so they can afford to waste their free time partaking in what you might describe as a massive sausage fest of a hobby.



Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Woodsey on June 27, 2013, 12:31:26 AM
I'm on a table with 8 guys over 50 all of which are bad holder.

Doubt you ever get a table of 9 young guys who are all bad.


Maybe because most young guys who aren't trying to make a living out of poker have got better things to do than sit at a poker table for 12 hours a day?

The proportion of pros to recs is obviously much higher in young people because let's face it poker as a hobby is not a young man's game.

Drinking and shagging is what young guys should be out doing. Old guys have been there, done that so they can afford to waste their free time partaking in what you might describe as a massive sausage fest of a hobby.

(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Leisures_and_Sports/cup-038.gif)


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: rfgqqabc on June 27, 2013, 12:42:48 AM
I'm on a table with 8 guys over 50 all of which are bad holder.

Doubt you ever get a table of 9 young guys who are all bad.


Maybe because most young guys who aren't trying to make a living out of poker have got better things to do than sit at a poker table for 12 hours a day?

The proportion of pros to recs is obviously much higher in young people because let's face it poker as a hobby is not a young man's game.

Drinking and shagging is what young guys should be out doing. Old guys have been there, done that so they can afford to waste their free time partaking in what you might describe as a massive sausage fest of a hobby.


Even playing poker for 12 hours a day leaves 12 hours for non-poker too. I mean look how lucky Tight4better was he got to #girl2 #girl1!


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: titaniumbean on June 27, 2013, 12:44:49 AM
theres a lot of good players over 35, just the other week Rick Trigg got 2nd at DTD.

not enough love


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Doobs on June 27, 2013, 05:13:45 AM
Was just stood railing Tikay.  There was a one drop table behind me.  I turned around and would say 7 out of 8 were under 25 and I didn't recognise any of them. If you'd push me to put an age on them, if they weren't sat at that table, I'd put 4 of those at under 21.

Absolutely astonishing them flinging $111,000 at a poker tournament when that young. 


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: SuuPRlim on June 27, 2013, 10:07:44 AM
Was just stood railing Tikay.  There was a one drop table behind me.  I turned around and would say 7 out of 8 were under 25 and I didn't recognise any of them. If you'd push me to put an age on them, if they weren't sat at that table, I'd put 4 of those at under 21.

Absolutely astonishing them flinging $111,000 at a poker tournament when that young. 

I think we all know that very very few of them are flinging $111,000 at a poker tournament right now


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: T8MML on June 27, 2013, 11:41:18 PM
Old guys rule - ask Reverend Gascoigne

 ;scarymoment;


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: neeko on June 30, 2013, 09:05:02 AM
Old Brits 1 - young Brits 0


Title: Re: Old versus Young in poker
Post by: Ironside on June 30, 2013, 06:34:44 PM
Old Brits 1 - young Brits 0

r u calling barny old?