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$25/$50 PLO

I limp UTG playing $15k with  Qc Jc Jh 2s (this Russian guy is going abs mental so looking for a flop here) everyone on the table except one person lips as well.

Flop  Jd 6d 6c ($400)

I bet $250 folds to the SB, who is about 50~ been playing pretty fast so far, my impressions of him are that he's pretty splashy, he calls playing like 20k.

Turn  Kc ($900)

he checks, I check.

River 4s ($900)

He checks I bet $600 he thinks for about 50 seconds before raising to $2,600.

Now obviously we are not going to fold, but are we just gonna call or does anyone wanna try sneak some value out of this?

Fwiw I think he would DEFO play 64 like this, and K6 and J6, actually I think he would raise A6 OTR like this as well (maybe not always but sometimes) based on what I've seen of him so we really aren't too worried about our hand here.

if you're that happy, seems like an easy raise fold. but million I'm playing plo with 20k stacks so don't listen to me rofl

How long have you been playing with him? What do you think your image looks like to him?

In my experience when you've been playing with someone a lot or a long time they are more likely to make a call here vs you providing you've been quite aggro.

Just because he raises here doesn't mean he will call a raise though? I mean 6k/fold seems fine but I can definitely imagine a chunk of players who would never call (well jamming but you know what i mean) the reraise without a better hand.

Is your intention to raise and if he jam alin u r folding ?  There's two nut hands there that he prob had . A good player will only called if he had J6 or K6 but will defo raised if they had KK or 66 . I prefer just to call there because u playing really deep . To be on the safe side aswell .

Dunno how many handed this is but it'd have to be an extremely soft table for me to consider playing this hand utg. Bet closer to pot otf because ranges are inelastic and bet turn. It sounds like he overvalues his hands so I can see why you'd want to raise but I'd always just call.

in response to everyone;

If i raise it will 100% be raise folding I think raise calling here would be kinda ridiculous no1 is that mental not even the very worst players (this guy defo not that)

P/F gotta be fine just wanna get to a flop as many handed as possible and try flop a Jack basically with the russain guy going mental post-flop and some other steaming guys around.

Been playing with the guy for about 4 hours and I'd been going pretty mental.

The guy defo didn't seem like a very bad player but he'd been very splashy and I my thinking was a small raise here he will never ever fold a house to me...

What actually happened was I made it $6,200 and he thought for 90 seconds, said "You said you had 15? Lets find out how much you've got i'm all in" so obviously i folded lol and felt like a bit of a tit.

why, if you think he calls worse jams the nuts, we've played it well.

obv you're a tiny tit though innit

Seems abso fine if you think he won't fold a FH to a small raise. There are only 4 combos of holdings that beat you compared to a LOT that you beat. He also peeled flop which means he usually has a 6 in his range.

What actually happened was I made it $6,200 and he thought for 90 seconds, said "You said you had 15? Lets find out how much you've got i'm all in" so obviously i folded lol and felt like a bit of a tit.

Never mind feeling a bit of a tit, I think I'm more likely to crap myself when the bloke does that.

i'd never limp this pre. just bin it imo.

I also just call now vs an old guy

I think when someone check raises a river in a lot of games they polarise their hand. Here is a perfect example of why you should just call because your raise folds out everything you beat. This leaves you in a bad spot or you win the same amount as if you just called.

What do you think of his turn check now he is repping only 2 hands?

He posted that he thinks the guy might call worse FH's and since there are ton of smaller FH's in his range then why would raising be bad?

Yes. I read what he posted and kind of disagree that the opponent can call with a weaker full house.

In fact shoving is way more profitable for his opponent as we can't really ever have the nuts.

Opponent clearly exploiting you're non-nutted range in this spot and realised he has a profitable bluff with his entire range.

He even threw in the fake speech play so you'll fold KKK. What a hero. Did you get his autograph?

Oh and fwiw (I don't play much deep PLO cash, only mtts) I think it seems optimistic to think he's gonna xr/call worse boats here, and I was surprised that you didn't bet the turn, doesn't make much sense to me.

I checked the turn so I cold raise his river lead, expecting ofc for him to have a 6 the vast majority of the time, after all the flops come J66 and I have 75% of the Jack's and the pots a limped 8 way pot (so he prolly doesn't have AA and would expect him to fold KK and QQ on the flop most of the time (obviously KK now a better hand but  you get the point) if he doesn't have a 6 then he prolly has nut flush draw so i'm just letting him hit that. I think to this guy if im on his level he thinks after i checked the turn I just had a random stab at the pot OTF - as daft as it prolly was I genuinely considered on the river that he might have been bluffing for the $2600 (obv not for the 15) I'm very surprised he didn't lead the river tbh if he did it would have gone 400 - 2k - 6k and i'd have been like WTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF and who knows what i would have done....

I think bet, chk, raise the lead is the bluffiest looking way to play the hand, bet bet bet into an 8way limped pot looks almost exactly like JJJ66 imo. I disagree with you gouty that I can't have the nuts by the river, the most common reason why I can't have the nuts is because he will have one of the 6's. If I checking the turn with J's full I could easily be checking with 6666, if we think he's capable of turning a naked 6 into a bluff trying to make me fold then folding the river was a big mistake considering I lose to 3 combinations and two are pretty unlikely.

People saying he never calls worse OTR, you might be right but you gotta factor in I'm young, with spikey hair and glasses and playing a bit mental for the last hour, has an older splashier player EVER folded a full house in that spot to someone like me getting 4-1 before? Bearing i mind after every successful c/r or triple barrel 4 out 5 older guys at the table will tell me i'm bluffing EVERY TIME (not being age-ist here Tikay, this is just how it is) people just never believe me!

I think as it happens I prolly should have just called though, after another few hours playing with him I think I gave him a lil disrespect OTR in that hand, and got punished for it. Farha got all my money anyways, so if anything I'm glad he took 3600 of it before the inevitable.

basically I've come to agree with everyone ITT, but for slightly different reasons :P

It was a great spot to discuss. Cheers LilD.

Deep PLO is fascinating. I think I nit up too much when I get deep tbh, so river decisions are few and far between. You da man.