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Title: Flopped flush vs CL fish Post by: lucky_scrote on July 09, 2013, 09:47:23 AM I'm currently 2nd in chips just approaching the money and villain here is a fish and CL. He's played passive until now and fwiw he acted very fast on each bet on the flop. I decided to peel because I didn't want to over-rep my hand and make him fold KQ and figured if he is playing the Ahrt like this then I can just check jam the turn.
PokerStars Hand #101161604314: Tournament #813010122, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2013/07/09 9:31:20 WET [2013/07/09 4:31:20 ET] Table '813010122 6' 9-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: LabelRoyal (20717 in chips) Seat 2: sostenes_glz (16867 in chips) Seat 3: ZORROPT (30090 in chips) Seat 5: Prince Pablo (21219 in chips) Seat 6: black_aces72 (22106 in chips) Seat 7: danistheking (29378 in chips) Seat 9: cain126 (11472 in chips) LabelRoyal: posts the ante 50 sostenes_glz: posts the ante 50 ZORROPT: posts the ante 50 Prince Pablo: posts the ante 50 black_aces72: posts the ante 50 danistheking: posts the ante 50 cain126: posts the ante 50 black_aces72: posts small blind 300 danistheking: posts big blind 600 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to danistheking [6h 7h] cain126: folds LabelRoyal: folds sostenes_glz: raises 900 to 1500 ZORROPT: calls 1500 Prince Pablo: folds black_aces72: calls 1200 danistheking: calls 900 *** FLOP *** [Kh 5h Qh] black_aces72: checks danistheking: checks sostenes_glz: checks ZORROPT: bets 1572 black_aces72: folds danistheking: raises 3528 to 5100 sostenes_glz: folds ZORROPT: raises 3528 to 8628 danistheking: calls 3528 *** TURN *** [Kh 5h Qh] [Qs] danistheking: checks ZORROPT: bets 8400 danistheking: Do you think it's too thin to try and 4bet the flop? What about the turn? He SNAP bet. Title: Re: Flopped flush vs CL fish Post by: PutYouOnAK/AQ on July 09, 2013, 06:02:16 PM 4bet get it in otf imo. Generally players that click buttons very quickly are pretty bad so I would imagine he's gonna get it in with worse. Turn is really meh with his sizing but again aa with hearts, ak with hearts aren't folding. Lots of combos are gonna go in on the flop as well vs bad players such as kj with hearts even k10 with hearts. As played I would call turn and reevaluate river
Title: Re: Flopped flush vs CL fish Post by: rfgqqabc on July 09, 2013, 06:21:14 PM A fish that clicks back?
This feels really dirty, especially if he has been passive. I'm really torn. If we call now and he jams river it is v.gross because its not Ah anymore right? Calling turn and folding to a river shove seems ridiculous though. If he is that fishy he isnt folding KQ otf and maybe not Ah either which is a strong argument for getting it in. As played, I think I mash the call button twice but it really feels like he has it! Title: Re: Flopped flush vs CL fish Post by: dwayne110 on July 09, 2013, 07:29:06 PM I can't see how it could ever be too thin 4betting the flop, got to be happy to get money in there and then. I mean, you've hit the dream flop for what u called pre right? I actually think he bets smaller ott if he has a fullhouse to keep flushes interested, feels more of a semi bluff with a heart. If you're classing him as a 'fish' he could be barrelling away with most pairs with a heart, any Q, Kj, AK, K10, etc. Think im getting it in on the flop and as played the turn here
Title: Re: Flopped flush vs CL fish Post by: lucky_scrote on July 10, 2013, 08:59:00 AM 50bb final 3 tables just shy of the table is so crazy deep. A fish that has been playing passive and is now clicking buttons is alarm bells. Just because he is a fish, doesn't mean he's stupid. Fish are generally passive because they don't have a feel for the game and don't often know where they stand in a hand.
He's peeled pre so it's quite a bit less likely he has AA. Person saying "Well he mighhhht have the Ah or AA with the Ah" is narrowing his range substantially to hands that we beat and even then on the river hes going to have 25% equity vs us. I think me peeling the flop for reasons that I'd be over-repping my hand is correct though since he's never folding top two and he's never folding Ahrt but I think peeling to see what happens is fine. Title: Re: Flopped flush vs CL fish Post by: pleno1 on July 10, 2013, 11:14:41 AM Folding turn now
Title: Re: Flopped flush vs CL fish Post by: lucky_scrote on July 10, 2013, 01:51:11 PM 50bb final 3 tables just shy of the table is so crazy deep. A fish that has been playing passive and is now clicking buttons is alarm bells. Just because he is a fish, doesn't mean he's stupid. Fish are generally passive because they don't have a feel for the game and don't often know where they stand in a hand. He's peeled pre so it's quite a bit less likely he has AA. Person saying "Well he mighhhht have the Ah or AA with the Ah" is narrowing his range substantially to hands that we beat and even then on the river hes going to have 25% equity vs us. I think me peeling the flop for reasons that I'd be over-repping my hand is correct though since he's never folding top two and he's never folding Ahrt but I think peeling to see what happens is fine. I actually made a mistake, I meant to say that I was INCORRECT |