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Picture the scene. You're glad in the battle armour of the post teenage grinder, the hoodie and the denim shorts. You've reached the dizzying heights of 150/300/25 in the £50 mini deepstack at DTD. This is your last shot at the 10k dream, in the final flight of the final day one. The pressure is mounting, and as such, we you have so far played less than five hands through the day. You're also me, so you have yet to shut up for more than a few minutes so far.

So, to the hand. An older gentleman, probably in his early to mid sixties, limps in early position. So far, we have seen a number of limps and a number of raises from said gentleman, but due to some pretty aggressive post flop tendencies, have yet to see a hand of his at showdown. A younger, more raisy daisy type of guy makes it 875 from the hijack. It folds to you on the button, and you peel your first card.  Aspades. Good start. Thoughts to the tune of "the first one's always good, and the second one is always rubbish" enter your mind. You see the corner of a 4 peeking out from behind the  Aspades, and prepare to muck. But wait! It's the  Ahrt! And you have the dolly too, they must think you'll be at it!

You reach for chips, and count out a raise to 2900. This raise is called by the older and younger gentleman alike, who comment on this being perhaps your first preflop raise, and definitely your first three bet. You see a flop of  Qs 5s 2d. After a short ponder, the original limper leads for 2600. Hijack folds, and you decide to raise this bet. You make it 6500. Effective stacks are around 35,000. The older gentleman, without a moments pause, then sets you all in. What do you do?

Also interested to see what the blonde community thinks of our hero's play in this pot, most specifically his decision to 2-bet the flop...

Dont think I can fold.

Raise is fine don't fold now.

And don't call it a 2-bet.

put a 50p in the tin, his the call button and bemoan his hitting 2 pair, set or dance if he has a flush draw....

He can't do that... See http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=61923.0


Call btw

tbh I probably flat his flop bet and re-assess the turn...when he leads it can mean a number of things imo:

1. probe bet to see how good his Qx or under pair is
2. combo straight/flush draw trying to get a cheap turn
3. or strong made hand like a set hoping for your re-raise

there aren't too many scare cards that can come that would make your hand second best

once he's 4 bet shoved the flop it's either a flush draw or set for me but more likely to be a set due to you having the  Aspades

their comments about you 3 betting pre flop shows that they have been paying attention to how you've been playing (very conservative by the sounds of it) knowing this, you could be the target of a bluff thinking that they can get you to fold a strong hand like   Aspades Ks,  Ad Ac or  Kh  Kc type of hand

for me this is a close one and I'm a feel type of player so would have had to be involved to have any inclination of where I was in the hand

I may fold as I have lots of chips left and plenty of play.....how did the hand play out?

let me know what you think?

It's a back-raise ldo.

My line of thinking in the hand is very similar to this. I didn't really like my raise on the flop, perhaps being results orientated because he moved in. After quite a long time playing with this guy, i didn't feel like he would be at it like ever here, and the fact that the Q is the Qs making it hard for him to have combo draws, and the fact that I have the As so he can't have the nut flush draw, factored quite heavily. I felt like this whole hand screamed of a set of 5's, so I folded face down, and didn't get shown anything, although I'm told afterwards that he had a set of 2's, obvs no idea whether the guy is telling the truth or not. I found it hard to put him on a strong flush draw, because there weren't really any he could have, and at this stage of the tournament I felt it very unlikely that he would 3 bet shove a weak flush draw. Hence, of the value hands I feel he could limp call with, I can really beat nothing.

I don't mind the flop raise, but i think i'm getting it in if i'm taking this line.

i think flatting > raise though tbh.

Always snap calling this! i think the right thing to say is this is played in a 'vacuum'? But even so, when the villain 3b shoves 120bb realistically i'd give him a range of sets and FD's only, if anyone was sick enough to think this, it probs makes it a flip.

If the villain is aggro pre as much as post flop id feel its less likely KK-JJ, making it really just sets in the shoving range +Qx obvs, if he a call station and loves to see flops i'd add about every spade combo going!

also 2-bet is a raise, when post flop there is no BB to act as the 1-bet

Don't think i could agree with peeps wanting to flat call the flop, but i don't like the sizing of the raise either, you've made it 3,900 to call into 17k with 35k eff. I would elect to make a much bigger raise since it will never get FD's to fold. I'm going with 9k but whatever villain raises i'm always seeing the run out.

Firstly I think pre flop is too big, I understand that we are deep but we are in position and almost never want to make it this large. 825->2900.

I would go somewhere in the region of 21-2300. Not only does this mean that someone may peel wider bit it also opens up the door I the younger guy to a wider range of fps such as a 4vet which we can peel and have an attractive spr. It also opens te door up in the future for potential 3/4bets in position where we won't want to go as large and thus keeps our range a little wider. Even if this is a perceived thing it is good.

On the flop I think there's I either a huge flaw in your logic, you don't know live poker very well or you are simply results orientated, it certainly doesn't seem thread worthy though.

You hae mentioned that a guy has been in lots of lots and played post flop very aggressively and thus shown down nothing. With the reads this means e can easily be overplaying qx or be fast playing a draw. Whilst I think the reasons for posting are results orientated reasons and he likely had a set, I think from a long term thinking view of the hand it's less likely he has a set as he may not lead or may potentially click it back or flat call. With hands such as qx or even 99 that he just does t believe you I think he will be more likely to take this line, and of course some draws too ,although I appreciate we have the ace spades in our had)