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With all these live multi-O hands knocking about I thought I'd post one that genuinely had me not knowing what to do...

£2/£2 £4 straddle.

2 Limps from very passive players, a very splashly chinese player makes it £15, George Wainberg calls in the SB.

I'm in the BB with  Ac Kh Kd 9c 5d and squeeze to £60. Chinese player and GW both call.

Chinese guy playing £800, George £1400, I cover.

Flop (£192)  5c 5h 6c

Geroge leads for £100.

I think we're gonna have to formulate a few plans here as best to proceed here - interesting to know what everyone would do.

For those of you who don't know George he is proper old-school legend of live poker, I've been playing with him for years and his strategy vs me is super TAG, he never gets involved marginally but when he does he's usually giving me the barrels or has a sick hand.

I thought about calling and raising some turn cards (as a (semi?) bluff) calling and trying to showdown, calling and trying to hit a good turn/fold if not, just folding now, raising to £240 here and just hope that buys me a free turn/river.

George knows I wouldn't raise hardly ever with a good+ hand here OTF as I'd be trying to keep the chinese guy in, I'm a lot less concerned about protecting my equity in spots like this than most players in live games and am mainly focused on maximizing my value and George is well aware of this.

Are you saying that he never - or almost never - has 6-6 here, & is, correctly, (because it is vulnerable), protecting it?

Surely he is not betting some sort of 3-4-7-8-9 type hand on that flop?

Defo not saying that. He could have flopped 56 or 66 and be betting for value, he could have some wrap and FD hand with a 6 or something and be going for a little steal, makes my life quite hard sandwiched between the two of them.

As descibed I feel our only option is to call and reassess turn. If we raise, get a fold from the asian guy then get 3b we are abs hating life. Folding now would be a little absurd I feel.
GW doesn't sound like a guy who'd lead a non nutted draw here. Very very difficult for him to have a 56xxx hand. Tricky spot

GW got moves don't you worry. See's all the angles, perfectly capable of taking them even if he doesn't very often.

What kind of reassessment are we thinking for the turn?

A club that he bets again on will be pretty interesting. 9 the best card, K the next best, the A. What about J's/4's/7's etc?

I'm not doing anything but call here and seeing turn

If u call here , 75% turn card going to be a brick or maybe u going to hit ur flush ? I would rather raise fold the flop and go to the turn . GW defo betting 56 or 66 . I don't think GW will bet a bare 5 !!

Frankie, what would you do here?

Raise the flop or just fold now?

Flat pre.


Call on the flop i think. Seems pretty dirty though. I cant see how a fold is that bad.

Again GW , I will raise the flop . If he call and as long as hit the turn , I am in . If I miss the turn , I m folding to any bet from GW

So you don't think he has a bare 5.

You think he has a full house to lead.

You raise the flop.

I don't get it.

Useless observation but God these games sound stressful/complicated!

Greekboy , this particular hands are played again a person I knew quiet well .

yes I realised that.

You still said what you thought his leading range was yet what you'd do against it made no sense to me.

My bad .

can i ask why all chinese people aren't like you frankie? this macau trip would have been a lot more fun with some chippymen at the tables.

If CHIPPYMAN is on the table u playing , all greekboy moan and moan moan about bad beat

OK we're calling and doing... on the turn?


come onnnn :P

Folding flop would be terrible given we're getting a price in position with a hand that's likely flipping vs his range (yes i've played a ton with GW). Call flop and fold most turns unimproved if he barrels big. I think we see a free river more often than you'd expect here.

200/fold?

I think this is actually a decent option. Maybe better than calling.

This was actually my main consideration, although big stacks I think we should prolly go £275 - £325 but I kinda like it, firstly I don't think we get raised all that often, if George has 66 then im either value-raising a hand that has 3-5outs or bluffing and likely dead to 2 outs, and he would just call 56 aswel (If he has all big cards with it - which he almost certinly always will) then he'll wanna keep me in with my weakest stuff (I can be bluffing + playing worse than 56 for value unlike most people in these games and GW knows me v well) I'll get to the river card for free quite often + he will fold sometimes (ofc he'll ever ever fold worse hands but it's not a bad result playability wise)

£300/fold, check turn unless improved as a good plan then? Doesn't seem any merit to betting the turn unimproved?