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On the river of a hand with c 5k in the pot.
Blinds are 100/200
It's three way at this stage and first to act picks up a 5k chip, looks at the dealer and says "three" before he drops it over the line.
Dealer announces "three thousand" and second to act folds.
Last to act says "I could call for a ruling on that, is it three thousand or three hundred"
Bettor gets arsey and a ruling is called for...

How big is the river bet?

Is your answer different if the pot is <1000?

This is good one David . Would like to see what the TD says about this . This will also stop Angle Shooting .
" I will call if it's 300 just to see what u have but will fold it it's 3000! "

Should be 300.

Had exactly this situation at DTD a couple of months ago:

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=61862.msg1817258#msg1817258

I'd like to add my voice to the Tal in angle shooting shock on the other thread.

So clearly intended as 3k, though can't say that is the ruling.

You know when you post a link to a thread and you've forgotten how the thread ended?

Surely the dealer asks "bettor is that 300 or 3000"

3000 if pot is less than 2000 then 300

if this is at DTD last time i checked its 300.

Another one of those rules that changes from casino to casino.

seen this situation ISPT wembly  having busted I played the APAT event
blinds at the time were 50 and 100 I think  could have been less
player intends to bet river 3k ( approx. 75% pot sized bet ) says 3
well known player immediately asks for ruling   
we all know he intended it as 3k including player who asked for ruling
ruled as 300 called by both players 
player who asked for ruling takes pot with top pair

an anti-angle but not surprising given it was an APAT event.

The correct ruling is when last to ask speaks an ejector seat activates shooting him out of the casino roof and into the carpark.

No, I was on the table as well and it was very definitely an angle from a well known POS - he was trying to get to a cheap showdown.

If only...


Disappointing in that context then.

happened yesterday in DTD and the dealer asked the player for clarification, seems obvious that this is the best thing to do

2nd to act folds when dealer announces 3000

Does that make a difference to the ruling being called 300 for last player considering 2nd player folded because he was told bet is 3000?

If ruling is made to be 300 can player 2 ask for his cards to be retrieved ?

Don't see it making any difference. Could deem it dealer error, so just one of those things. Second to act has rather given away his hand strength anyway

I had this situation recently at DTD, I threw a 5k chip in announcing "4", the dealer said "is that 400 hundred or 4 thousand?"

Don't know what the ruling is though is if this question is not asked, suppose it'd have to be 400.

I think DTD should stop " ANGLE SHOOTING". I think some  players do it on purpose but some  players are genuine here . If the same player done it a few times , he/she should be given penalty . It's one of the many ways of angle shooting here !

As far as I'm concerned the bet should be assumed to be in relation to the chip used. So if a 1000/500 chip then 3 means 300, 5000+ chip then 3 means 3000.

But it's another of those that should never be an issue. The fact that the player may have had change available, the amount in the pot, etc, should make the intent clear. And if not all it takes is for someone to say "is that 300 or 3000" and it's sorted.

That is a terrible ruling. I'd accuse you of the angle shoot but you asked the dealer and it was him who called the floor.

You say yourself it was clearly meant to be 3k therefore the bet is 3k. All it takes is a quick "that's 3k not 300 yeah?" from the dealer and the issue is sorted. Spirit of the game and all that.

I think this happened at a cardroom with either an inexperienced dealer or it was possibly a self dealt cardroom.

Should obviously be 3k after the first guy has folded. If he has 300 in smaller chips or even a 1k or 500 then it should never be 300.

FWIW, I asked how much because there was a single chip and I didn't hear clearly what the guy said.

I'm smart enough when I want to shoot an angle not to start a thread on blonde about it.

There is a responsibility on the player to make it clear how much they are betting. If you don't have correct change, make sure the dealer knows what proportion of the bigger chip is going in. It can be a way of disguising nerves if you only say a single syllable, rather than having to say the exact amount. On reflection, that might be why my villain said "three" confidently when "three thousand" might have given away a croak or a tightening of the larynx.

I think the majority of the comments in my linked thread were in jest but I don't mind defending myself if there is an issue. As it was, as you say, I didn't call the floor and, if the dealer had asked the villain for clarification (which, let's be honest, is the common sense thing to do), I would have been absolutely fine with the outcome.

Game of cards.

I am sorry if I wasn't clear  
this was 100% experienced player taking advantage of first player saying 3 instead of 3 thousand
he knew what the ruling would be and used it so he could make call

I do understand the ruling  just don't like it