blonde poker forum

Poker Forums => Poker Hand Analysis => Topic started by: Derbylad on October 04, 2013, 02:11:55 PM



Title: Facing River Overbet
Post by: Derbylad on October 04, 2013, 02:11:55 PM
DTD 1-1
Stack Sizes: Villain 277
Hero: ~550

Dealt to hero in the straddle: XX
MP: Calls
Villain: Calls
SB: Calls
BB: Calls
Hero: Checks

Flop (£10):  5d 5c 6d

SB: Checks
BB: Checks
Hero: Bets 8
MP: Folds
Villain: Calls
SB: Folds
BB: Folds

Turn (£26):   3c

Hero: Bets 22
Villain: raises to 66
Hero: Calls

River (£158):  Ahrt

Hero: Checks
Villain: All in for 201

What range should hero be calling with?

Information on Villain, hasn't particularly played OOL apart from being called on a half pot river bet by 22 and villain showed A high
Hero's thoughts: Villain is unlikely to call the flop without a 5 or a big draw, bit of a weak board to float on.
Turn sizing leads me to believe Villain either has a 5 or potentially just made the straight. Unsure if Villain is thinking about pot sizing to make the river overbet with hands like 5/6 66 potentially A5.
Villain was at one stage winning over 200 therefore would only be left with his original buy in if he loses the hand.
Villain must now expect my perceived range to be at least a value hand though after calling his turn raise.
I would have expected villain to potentially raise 66 pre flop however he has also limped big pairs previously.


Title: Re: Facing River Overbet
Post by: Rexas on October 04, 2013, 03:39:36 PM

Information on Villain, hasn't particularly played OOL apart from being called on a half pot river bet by 22 and villain showed A high


I don't know who made that call, but he sounds like an sicko ;)

I was in this game, and it felt at the time like the villain for sure had a value hand. Now, what he perceives as a value hand is as important for sure as the range we should be calling with. I don't actually think the flush got there on the turn, pretty sure it was the  3s, but I wouldnt want to make this call without a full house. 33 is marginal, and I don't think in this situation this particular villain can ever be bluffing.

However, there are apparently no ranges in live poker, so what do I know :p


Title: Re: Facing River Overbet
Post by: Derbylad on October 04, 2013, 03:46:35 PM
Yeah Error corrected it was the 3c. I remember it bringing two flush draws.


Title: Re: Facing River Overbet
Post by: pleno1 on October 04, 2013, 05:26:26 PM
K5+ seems right.


Title: Re: Facing River Overbet
Post by: cambridgealex on October 04, 2013, 06:03:22 PM
is villian known? would help a lot if i knew him.

readless i'm calling with 53/56/A5 but folding 33 and K5>, very unlikely to be bluffing, and very often it's a boat rather than Q5 or w/e. Some people will shove Q5 here so would call K5 vs some, but readless it's a fold imo.


Title: Re: Facing River Overbet
Post by: Derbylad on October 04, 2013, 06:38:27 PM
Scottish guy, mid 40's, called Sean apparently?
Hero had Qc 5h, seemed pretty close.


Title: Re: Facing River Overbet
Post by: zerofive on October 04, 2013, 07:18:35 PM
Scottish guy, mid 40's, called Sean apparently?
Hero had Qc 5h, seemed pretty close.

Not folding this hand versus this villain.


Title: Re: Facing River Overbet
Post by: Derbylad on October 04, 2013, 09:25:16 PM
Scottish guy, mid 40's, called Sean apparently?
Hero had Qc 5h, seemed pretty close.

Not folding this hand versus this villain.

Is this based on playing him before or just hands on the night?


Title: Re: Facing River Overbet
Post by: tight4better on October 04, 2013, 10:18:27 PM
Do I know villain?


Title: Re: Facing River Overbet
Post by: Derbylad on October 05, 2013, 02:48:34 AM
Seat 1 of our 1-1 table nick, when the game broke he came to 1-2 on your immediate left I think.


Title: Re: Facing River Overbet
Post by: Nit Tendencies on October 09, 2013, 05:00:38 PM
I think we should be folding everything that's not a boat. In my experience people don't tend to go berserk like this without the goods at this level of live game. You've bet close to pot 5 way, and in a limped pot too. He can have every combo of boat and quads, just fold.


Title: Re: Facing River Overbet
Post by: Nit Tendencies on October 09, 2013, 05:01:09 PM
There is actually an argument for folding the turn, although I know that I always call to evaluate river in game. Not sure how good that is though.