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Title: You are the referee Post by: Longines on October 13, 2013, 06:30:55 PM I run a kids team and this one came up today. At U15 they still have rolling subs i.e. a sub can go off and come back on as often as you want and there is no limit on the total number of substitutions made.
Team A make a sub before a corner and team B score from the corner. Before the restart it is noticed that the team A sub that was supposed to go off didn't and they had 12 players on the pitch. WWYD? Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: celtic on October 13, 2013, 07:07:51 PM Goal disallowed and take the corner again?
Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: Waz1892 on October 13, 2013, 07:22:10 PM Complete the sub, let team a from kick off score.
Continue Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: celtic on October 13, 2013, 07:27:00 PM Complete the sub, let team a from kick off score. Continue Can the corner be allowed with the wrong number of players on the pitch? Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: TightEnd on October 13, 2013, 07:32:14 PM Complete the sub, let team a from kick off score. Continue Can the corner be allowed with the wrong number of players on the pitch? the ref has allowed play to continue and the corner happens. Goal stands I think Waz has the common sense solution, allow the opposition to score from the kick off Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: Geo the Sarge on October 13, 2013, 07:53:45 PM Am I reading this correctly?
I run a kids team and this one came up today. At U15 they still have rolling subs i.e. a sub can go off and come back on as often as you want and there is no limit on the total number of substitutions made. Team A make a sub before a corner and team B score from the corner. Before the restart it is noticed that the team A sub that was supposed to go off didn't and they had 12 players on the pitch. WWYD? Team A had 12 players on the field, Team B score from the corner. Team A have broken the rules but we want to give them a goal back?? Geo Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: Longines on October 13, 2013, 09:19:10 PM Quote from: TightEnd link=topic=62381.msg1854410#msg1854410 the ref has allowed play to continue and the corner happens. Goal stands This would be my choice but the ref went with Celtic's choice. I couldn't make the match today so hearing this second hand but my team were team B - not happy. <googling> http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/worldfootball/clubfootball/01/37/04/19/interpretation_law03_en.pdf If, after a goal is scored, the referee realises, before play restarts, that there was van extra person on the field of play when the goal was scored: • the referee must disallow the goal if: – the extra person was an outside agent and he interfered with play – the extra person was a player, substitute, substituted player or team official associated with the team that scored the goal • the referee must allow the goal if: – the extra person was an outside agent who did not interfere with play – the extra person was a player, substitute, substituted player or team official associated with the team that conceded the goal Letter to the league on its way >:( Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: celtic on October 13, 2013, 09:22:46 PM Oops, I read this wrong. Got the teams round the wrong way round.
What waz said seems right. Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: ForthThistle on October 13, 2013, 10:17:59 PM Hello... Geo is correct???
Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: Tal on October 13, 2013, 10:31:59 PM Must be a misprint. If not, goal stands and the subbed player belatedly leaves the pitch.
Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: Longines on October 13, 2013, 10:40:37 PM Not a misprint. Team A had 12 on the pitch, team B score, goal disallowed.
Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: Tal on October 13, 2013, 10:54:08 PM Not a misprint. Team A had 12 on the pitch, team B score, goal disallowed. Utterly ridiculous. Defies logic. Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: Waz1892 on October 13, 2013, 11:07:08 PM Madness. As this could be easily-ish manipulated.
Team A concedes as goal, sneaks a defender on when play is the other end... Type thing. Highly unlikely I know but the rules as it is allows it to, albeit, unlikely, to possible happen. Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: celtic on October 13, 2013, 11:32:17 PM Madness. As this could be easily-ish manipulated. Team A concedes as goal, sneaks a defender on when play is the other end... Type thing. Highly unlikely I know but the rules as it is allows it to, albeit, unlikely, to possible happen. No, it can only be rectified before play has re-started I think. Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: Killerkilsby on October 13, 2013, 11:52:19 PM Ok, yes the referee was wrong and it defies all logic, however for us to be totally sure we had to google and get the official rules, the referee had to make an instant decision and stand by it.
Bearing in mind its an U15 sunday league game, whereby the referee's are paid a relativly small amount of money and take copious amounts of abuse in return, these guys are far from professionals, and are often doing it for the love of the game. Yes he was wrong, but really a letter to the league in my opinion is over the top, it happened, a freak incident, move on to the next game. Title: Re: You are the referee Post by: Longines on October 14, 2013, 07:42:56 AM Erm we're talking the FA and junior football admin here so....
Fine the club. We'll come up with a reason later. Fine the club again for not paying the first fine. The fact the league didn't write to you about the first fine is immaterial. Fine the club when result cards get lost in the post. Fine the club when you start sending them recorded and it inconveniences the results secretary (yes really...) |