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Title: complex hand pretty deep Post by: pleno1 on November 02, 2013, 03:18:22 AM Villain is a very difficult reg from nl200 zoom. He plays very aggresively when stacks get deep and puts pressure on etc, he is not bad though, he is just good aggro. He often has 500bb stacks on these tables and is probably the most experienced reg playing deep in these games.
His perception of me is completely out of line too, he saw me peel btn vs his mp open with 94o and recently he has slowed down vs me whilst still going batshit versus everybody else. He knows that we both understand board textures really well and he knows that this board texture hits my range better than his, although his 3bet range will not be standard so could be anything potentially and he will definitely be balanced, however he knows I will raise this flop a lot as he cant really even get TT in for value. On the turn what do we think his range looks like? We are the UTG $1/$2 Zoom No Limit Holdem PokerStars 6 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com (http://weaktight.com/) Stacks: UTG ($581.32) 291bb UTG+1 ($217.47) 109bb CO ($207.74) 104bb BTN ($229.41) 115bb SB ($763.50) 382bb BB ($921.71) 461bb Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) UTG raises to $6, 3 folds, SB raises to $18, 1 fold, UTG calls $12 Flop: Qc Td 9d ($38, 2 players) SB bets $24, UTG raises to $68, SB calls $44 Turn: Jd ($174, 2 players) SB checks, UTG bets $133, SB goes all-in $677.50 Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: cambridgealex on November 02, 2013, 03:22:16 AM How do you know he still goes batshit against other regs if it's zoom?
Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: pleno1 on November 02, 2013, 03:30:20 AM How do you know he still goes batshit against other regs if it's zoom? when you fold a hand it still saves to your database.. Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: pleno1 on November 02, 2013, 03:53:04 AM get both hands right for a 5 dollar freeroll btw!
Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: jgcblack on November 03, 2013, 03:31:43 AM get both hands right for a 5 dollar freeroll btw! Didn't press the fold button then..... #cantwinifyoufold Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: pleno1 on November 03, 2013, 03:44:22 AM This is actually a pretty interesting hand but as nobody wants to have a go results for John and Alex. I had aqdd he had 86dd
Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: jgcblack on November 03, 2013, 04:44:57 AM This is actually a pretty interesting hand but as nobody wants to have a go results for John and Alex. I had aqdd he had 86dd I obv felt out of my depth to comment... Did you expect to see a value hand here considering you block most of the good ones? Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: pleno1 on November 03, 2013, 05:15:02 AM This is actually a pretty interesting hand but as nobody wants to have a go results for John and Alex. I had aqdd he had 86dd I obv felt out of my depth to comment... Did you expect to see a value hand here considering you block most of the good ones? Well I didn't expect to see a bluff considering stack depth and me being able to have all the nf combos I didn't wanna see 87dd and saw the 8d first! Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: pleno1 on November 03, 2013, 05:15:19 AM Was hoping fr ak with kd
Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: SuuPRlim on November 03, 2013, 12:00:59 PM in 6m NLHE is this not a kinda stnd cooler?
Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: pleno1 on November 03, 2013, 12:34:52 PM in 6m NLHE is this not a kinda stnd cooler? He has 300bb and the 7th nuts or something! I wouldn't be bet calling qxdd ott I don't think. Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: Rod on November 03, 2013, 12:42:03 PM How do you know he still goes batshit against other regs if it's zoom? when you fold a hand it still saves to your database.. Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: pleno1 on November 03, 2013, 12:48:02 PM If you are in a hand it auto,stoically tracks it.
Ie when I fold utg and the Hand plays out when I checked the hand history it doesn't just finish with me folding utg it shows the full hand history. Otherwise huds at zoom wouldn't really work. Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: SuuPRlim on November 03, 2013, 01:04:53 PM actually looking at the action it is a bit more.
you suggesting he might be bluffing OTT? Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: pleno1 on November 03, 2013, 01:12:24 PM actually looking at the action it is a bit more. you suggesting he might be bluffing OTT? No I was just surprised about his turn shove but he's good so assumed it was good and my logic was bad. If he's shoving this his calling range in deep pots is going to be fucking weakkkkk tho Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: Honeybadger on November 03, 2013, 06:29:12 PM If you are in a hand it auto,stoically tracks it. Plinop has the best typos. Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: pleno1 on November 03, 2013, 07:17:27 PM whats your thoguhts about both ranges stu? how wid eshould we be b-callign? should he have a c r range? if so what should it consist of?
Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: Oxford_HRV on November 03, 2013, 11:45:57 PM i think his range looks like 8dX/AdX
Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: The Squid on November 04, 2013, 04:48:08 AM This deep shouldnt we four bet for value.
Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: pleno1 on November 04, 2013, 04:57:34 AM This deep shouldnt we four bet for value. I'd really not want to 4bet fold aq or ak suited, I think aq off suit is a decent hand to 4b fold here though and would be 4betting pretty thin for value. Perhaps just having a calling range could be interesting too, ifmhes3betting 86s then he's either 5betting us and making us fold aqs (I'm not that hood Sam) or he's folding which would be a huge shame giving the potential reverse implied odds he has vs us. It's also,important to have these strong hands in our calling range too otherwise he just goes bananas when we initially peel and suited aces are nice hands to have in our range here. Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: PathFinder on November 04, 2013, 11:51:33 AM Really love that logic! You could even argue just not having a 3/4 betting range when 300bb+ deep
Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: SuuPRlim on November 04, 2013, 01:42:35 PM Its actually pretty unlikely you have a flush here but IDK what he's expecting to get called by aside from Ad K/Q Kd Qx or perhaps Qd Qx you didn't 4bet IDK.
Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: pleno1 on November 04, 2013, 01:48:31 PM Its actually pretty unlikely you have a flush here but IDK what he's expecting to get called by aside from Ad K/Q Kd Qx or perhaps Qd Qx you didn't 4bet IDK. Well my raising range on the flop is nfds, qxdd with a straight draw or a set or possible adqx. I'd absolutely check a set ott so my only hand that isn't a bluff now is qxad Title: Re: complex hand pretty deep Post by: The Squid on November 04, 2013, 02:25:46 PM Obv meant 4 bet and peel 5 bet.
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