Title: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: TL900 on November 07, 2013, 05:02:55 PM http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/5762304_FFE2EC2CE9
readless, vllian got seemingly reggy stats over a tiny sample but i wouldnt read into it Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2013, 05:25:13 PM I know we lose the hand ( so woulda cost us more this time) but is pre flop and cbet a tad too small and would be thinking more like $1.50 pre, $2.25 cb?
Obv could nit fold the turn as the ace hits you so dont mind the call and solid fold otr imo Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: cambridgealex on November 07, 2013, 05:26:23 PM could be a nice fold, exploitable though obv
Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: TL900 on November 07, 2013, 05:41:27 PM I know we lose the hand ( so woulda cost us more this time) but is pre flop and cbet a tad too small and would be thinking more like $1.50 pre, $2.25 cb? i think 2.5x in the CO is fine especially vs weak buttons which most of the players at 50nl will be. Def agree on $2-$2.25 otf tho, tourney fish init Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2013, 05:43:43 PM I know we lose the hand ( so woulda cost us more this time) but is pre flop and cbet a tad too small and would be thinking more like $1.50 pre, $2.25 cb? i think 2.5x in the CO is fine especially vs weak buttons which most of the players at 50nl will be. Def agree on $2-$2.25 otf tho, tourney fish init Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: david3103 on November 08, 2013, 09:48:39 AM Why are we calling the raise on flop and calling turn if we're folding river?
Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: millidonk on November 08, 2013, 10:15:55 AM Why are we calling the raise on flop and calling turn if we're folding river? Hoping he gives up river I imagine. He only really ever has 44 or 88 that beats us and even then I can't see too many people check raising a set on a flop that dry as they are just going to kill their action so often. Unless he knows you are coming along for the ride regardless? Readless I just can't see me folding tbh, we beat too much. Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: NoCardDSC on November 08, 2013, 02:41:37 PM I definitely can't see me folding in game, but looking at it obv just screams 44 or 88, but that is literally all the only value hands he can have right?
Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: cambridgealex on November 08, 2013, 02:46:11 PM JT makes sense too. hand is wp in a vaccuum imo
Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: pleno1 on November 08, 2013, 02:55:40 PM would be the bottom of my calling range otr, and as with most of the bottom of your range its usually not a nice-easy call. if he was c raising some kind of bdfd or something funy then the A gives him perhaps the perceived chance of going a little bit lairy.
He also called from the sb so may not even have 44 or jt in his range, both are folds pre imo, but obv its 50nl. Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: BulldozerD on November 08, 2013, 03:48:49 PM JT makes sense too. hand is wp in a vaccuum imo How come? Why would he check raise a gutshot here? a bluff with at least some equity. Think its a good fold. I played a fair bit of 50nl zoom earlier this year and villains will never be folding any pocket pair pre here to a single raise. As Pleno says its the bottom of your river calling range but they show up with bottom/middle set so much here, unless you have history or particular read on villain then fold is probably good. Although doubt I ever fold in game as I am a river station. Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: pleno1 on November 08, 2013, 03:59:11 PM JT makes sense too. hand is wp in a vaccuum imo How come? Why would he check raise a gutshot here? a bluff with at least some equity. Think its a good fold. I played a fair bit of 50nl zoom earlier this year and villains will never be folding any pocket pair pre here to a single raise. As Pleno says its the bottom of your river calling range but they show up with bottom/middle set so much here, unless you have history or particular read on villain then fold is probably good. Although doubt I ever fold in game as I am a river station. hmmm I think youd be surprised, I know about 15 guys who play nl50 (lol sample size obv) and abotu 10 of them follow a chart pre flop, which will almost certainly say fold 44, jt pre flop. Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: Pinchop73 on November 08, 2013, 04:12:36 PM I know about 15 guys who play nl50 (lol sample size obv) and abotu 10 of them follow a chart (http://pokerstarsandroid.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/poker-hands-order-rankings.jpg) Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: pleno1 on November 08, 2013, 04:18:44 PM here is what you can expect
Defending range: 66+, A9s+, A5s-A2s, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+ (20%, #270) Blue and Red is 3bet fold and 5bet respectively. (http://resources.pokerstrategy.com/2013/03/22/sb_gegen_bu_openraise.PNG) Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: millidonk on November 09, 2013, 08:53:27 AM So they are 5betting AQo and flatting AQs?
Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: Eso Kral on November 09, 2013, 09:08:44 AM So they are 5betting AQo and flatting AQs? 2 flushes/blockers ldoTitle: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: millidonk on November 09, 2013, 09:12:38 AM So they are 5betting AQo and flatting AQs? 2 flushes/blockers ldoI know. Even more reason to 5b Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: pleno1 on November 09, 2013, 10:05:37 AM So they are 5betting AQo and flatting AQs? Out of position aqs has better playability and can continue on ,ore board textures. Ie 763sxx with aqss you can continue. Aqo a little too thin. Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: AlexMartin on November 09, 2013, 05:48:52 PM nh
Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: AlexMartin on November 09, 2013, 05:50:05 PM idk how big the player pool is but on smaller sites where regs are in this spot 10 times a day evey day v each other i like a call early on. Some ppl cr sets on dry boards, some dont (think dont is muuuuch better).
Title: Re: might be terrible, i duno? Post by: jgcblack on November 10, 2013, 05:57:33 AM Really tough spot imho... kinda like a call some %.. fold some %.
Might 'harrington' it and if I look at my watch and see the second hand at 1-20 I call... 21-60 I fold. |