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Title: Simple spot is simple? Post by: youthnkzR on November 14, 2013, 03:43:21 PM Hot 33, 13 left, we are 3 of 13. $8k ftw. 13th gets 300. Few guys have between 1-4bbs.
PokerStars Hand #106958157051: Tournament #814582657, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXIII (10000/20000) - 2013/11/13 18:31:28 WET [2013/11/13 13:31:28 ET] Table '814582657 84' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: Alf1331 (490264 in chips) Seat 2: Evadar (418288 in chips) Seat 4: 8Bodo8 (215940 in chips) Seat 5: RichieA7s (312119 in chips) Seat 6: GaggleoKings (389141 in chips) Seat 7: NeverHoldz (162972 in chips) Seat 9: markovitsus (230297 in chips) Alf1331: posts the ante 2500 Evadar: posts the ante 2500 8Bodo8: posts the ante 2500 RichieA7s: posts the ante 2500 GaggleoKings: posts the ante 2500 NeverHoldz: posts the ante 2500 markovitsus: posts the ante 2500 NeverHoldz: posts small blind 10000 markovitsus: posts big blind 20000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to GaggleoKings [X X] Alf1331: folds Evadar: folds 8Bodo8: folds RichieA7s: raises 289619 to 309619 and is all-in GaggleoKings (389141 in chips): What are we putting our disks in with readless? Title: Re: Simple spot is simple? Post by: WotRTheChances on November 14, 2013, 04:34:06 PM A7s+ A9o+, KQ, 55+ there or there abouts for me.
Title: Re: Simple spot is simple? Post by: youthnkzR on November 14, 2013, 04:37:28 PM Is ICM a factor when choosing this range? If not when does it start to become one?
Title: Re: Simple spot is simple? Post by: millidonk on November 14, 2013, 04:42:26 PM I would have thought it was and I have a much tighter range than above.
AQ+ 99+ maybe. Title: Re: Simple spot is simple? Post by: WotRTheChances on November 14, 2013, 05:23:16 PM Is ICM a factor when choosing this range? If not when does it start to become one? A bit yeah, but wouldnt say it's massive and it's a turbo, so I prefer to take the edges. Maybe I'd go tighter in-game to like A8s+ ATo+ KQ 66+ or something, but cant see myself folding any of these. Title: Re: Simple spot is simple? Post by: stato_1 on November 15, 2013, 01:02:41 AM AJs, AQo, 66
Title: Re: Simple spot is simple? Post by: stato_1 on November 15, 2013, 01:04:17 AM AJs, AQo, 66 maybe 77+ and maybe stretch to ATs AJo but think ppl are pretty well weighted towards small pairs and hands they dont wanna raise call. Title: Re: Simple spot is simple? Post by: The Squid on November 15, 2013, 05:00:28 AM ICM massively relevant. Not just what's cEV
Title: Re: Simple spot is simple? Post by: youthnkzR on November 18, 2013, 11:40:23 AM Is ICM a factor when choosing this range? If not when does it start to become one? A bit yeah, but wouldnt say it's massive and it's a turbo, so I prefer to take the edges. Maybe I'd go tighter in-game to like A8s+ ATo+ KQ 66+ or something, but cant see myself folding any of these. Was really surprised to see this, I actually had 88 in game and it felt semi-close, however i pressed the all in button within a second or two. Title: Re: Simple spot is simple? Post by: MC on November 18, 2013, 11:47:09 AM 88 is a fistpump
Kinda like WotRs range, vs a reg. Readless might go tighter, but hard to fold too much tighter Edit: By fistpump I don't really mean that, I just mean never folding, sorry if that sounded a bit brash. I think 66+, AT+, A9s I'm not folding. And KQs, 55, A8s, A9 are all at least tempting Title: Re: Simple spot is simple? Post by: lucky_scrote on November 18, 2013, 11:34:48 PM ICM massively relevant. Not just what's cEV This. Saying ICM isn't as much of a factor here because it's a turbo is a categorical error imo (sorry to sound harsh). It's really really dependent on the chip counts though. That's how ICM works. If you are 3/13 with 4 really small stacks but everyone else is fairly close then your range can be less tight because the chip counts are all close where the big pay jumps begin. If it were 3 people with 70% of chips in play in the top 3 then it's pretty brutal how tight you need to call here; remember that you will have your fair share of wide jams that people will have to call super tight with and you'll make a ton of chips because of it. |