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Table '818658016 31' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: jeckleson (48224 in chips)
Seat 2: intervntion (215739 in chips)
Seat 3: NLitez2 (322172 in chips)
Seat 5: duck103 (49442 in chips)
Seat 6: Ace22Two (34565 in chips)
Seat 7: giisela (110896 in chips)
Seat 8: Demonic16 (243604 in chips)
jeckleson: posts the ante 400
intervntion: posts the ante 400
NLitez2: posts the ante 400
duck103: posts the ante 400
Ace22Two: posts the ante 400
giisela: posts the ante 400
Demonic16: posts the ante 400
jeckleson: posts small blind 2000
intervntion: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Demonic16 [Tc Td]
NLitez2: raises 4000 to 8000
duck103: folds
Ace22Two: folds
giisela: folds
Demonic16 ????

We are on the button, 4/16 at this moment in time. We have been fairly snug, mostly picking off the shortstacks. We 4b folded vs the bb an orbit before vs Intervntion, who seems like a good reg (India?!?).. Initial opener has been pretty tight for his stack size, running 21/14. Apart from that the majority of the table has been changing frequently as shorties go. The other table looks pretty soft, with a big stack crushing. The field looks good.

Calling feels pretty meh but can we just set-mine?

Raise can get us into a world of pain whether villain flats or 4 bets

Hate the idea of folding.


Looking forward to seeing how real players handle this

Think this is just a flat, we are 4th in the tournament and don't want to risk this. If we 3-bet and he 4-bets do we really want to get our full stack in with 10's. Think also if you flat and a A10x flop comes your in heaven but what do i know haha

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Without a dynamic it's prob optimal to flat. Three bet getting it in can never be that bad tho, especially as button 3-bet wont get much credit.

cawl. definitely not just set mining though!

PokerStars Hand #107345510807: Tournament #818658016, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2000/4000) - 2013/11/21 7:29:50 WET [2013/11/21 2:29:50 ET]
Table '818658016 31' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: jeckleson (48224 in chips)
Seat 2: intervntion (215739 in chips)
Seat 3: NLitez2 (322172 in chips)
Seat 5: duck103 (49442 in chips)
Seat 6: Ace22Two (34565 in chips)
Seat 7: giisela (110896 in chips)
Seat 8: Demonic16 (243604 in chips)
jeckleson: posts the ante 400
intervntion: posts the ante 400
NLitez2: posts the ante 400
duck103: posts the ante 400
Ace22Two: posts the ante 400
giisela: posts the ante 400
Demonic16: posts the ante 400
jeckleson: posts small blind 2000
intervntion: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Demonic16 [Tc Td]
NLitez2: raises 4000 to 8000
duck103: folds
Ace22Two: folds
giisela: folds
Demonic16: calls 8000
jeckleson: folds
intervntion: calls 4000
*** FLOP *** [8s Kd 3d]
intervntion: checks
NLitez2: checks
Demonic16: ???

PFR tank checked. wug?

Seems a good idea to bet 2/5 here

I actually quite like checking behind here, as played. Opener could be trapping with a monster, we have a half decent diamond in our hand for a potential turn draw, but mainly for pot control. If it comes ace, jack, queen then whatever, folding to a bet. If not I'm calling  a delayed turn bet and reassessing river

check, now i bet like 11765

checking behindings

Why?

I would bet. Keeps things simple.

Def flat pre imo. Check back flop cos we got a diamond and intervention in bb is pretty aggro and might coffin us.

Sorry Mid but checking back, narrowing our range and giving up a load of equity seems a terrible way to adjust to having a player in the BB capable of taking off on K83. Id just bet and probably bet, bet, shove on most runouts if the original raiser check calls, and probably call down most runouts if bb check raises.

Well I'm pretty happy to see some discussion about the flop play. I went for the check behind option.

PokerStars Hand #107345510807: Tournament #818658016, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2000/4000) - 2013/11/21 7:29:50 WET [2013/11/21 2:29:50 ET]
Table '818658016 31' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: jeckleson (48224 in chips)
Seat 2: intervntion (215739 in chips)
Seat 3: NLitez2 (322172 in chips)
Seat 5: duck103 (49442 in chips)
Seat 6: Ace22Two (34565 in chips)
Seat 7: giisela (110896 in chips)
Seat 8: Demonic16 (243604 in chips)
jeckleson: posts the ante 400
intervntion: posts the ante 400
NLitez2: posts the ante 400
duck103: posts the ante 400
Ace22Two: posts the ante 400
giisela: posts the ante 400
Demonic16: posts the ante 400
jeckleson: posts small blind 2000
intervntion: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Demonic16 [Tc Td]
NLitez2: raises 4000 to 8000
duck103: folds
Ace22Two: folds
giisela: folds
Demonic16: calls 8000
jeckleson: folds
intervntion: calls 4000
*** FLOP *** [8s Kd 3d]
intervntion: checks
NLitez2: checks
Demonic16: checks
*** TURN *** [8s Kd 3d] [Qs]
intervntion: bets 12889
NLitez2: folds
Demonic16: ???

regret not betting the flop and fold

FML. I'm such a fish. I so nearly put in last post that if we check back we gotta call two fro intervention and it's well awkward.

I woulda looked like such a boss.

Fold now.

Just because they both have more K in their perceived ranges than we do.

What we getting value from if we bet?

I'd play this exactly as OP has done and be more than happy with folding now on this turn.

Happy to bet a turn deuce, at least we can get value from bluff catchers.

when guy checks he has zero kx in his perceived range and the big blind has way more 74s kind of hands than we do, so we def have more kx in our perceived range than both never mind either.

Yeah meant to say perceived pf ranges.

I just don't want to turn a hand that has pretty decent equity vs their readjusted post flop ranges into a bluff.

I'd feel filthy bet folding here. If your happy to call a c/r and call down most runouts then fair enough. I just don't have the heart of somebody as capable as the Crab.

well if bb check raises and hes described as super aggro id be pretty happy as hes very very very unlikely to check raise Kx for value and will have lots of bluffs, also think its incredibly unlikely that villain 1 check raises this board as the pfr.

id bet for

1- value vs draws or worse pairs with the potential chance of tripling vs jj-qq occasionally and occasionally going for value vs 8x depending on run outs
2- protection on the flop as we are 3 way with usually the best hand but always vs some form of overcard or underpairs or back door flush draws that could go ahead and improve equity ott.

Id also bet this flop with a bunch of hands with the intention of barrelling off as a bluff vs weak perceived ranges, so want to extend value range wider than just Kx.

Think Flat Pre is best here
Bet flop I think - Keep it simple

Kinda forgot about this hand. I have the rest saved on my laptop, I'll try and post it next time I'm on, at least before UKIPT. The river is the most debatable part of the hand, although I thought all streets had some points worth discussion.

I called the turn as I thought I could be winning, could bluff some rivers if the right cards came and I didn't expect my opponent to go too wild on the end.

If I don't have showdown value and I'm in interventions seat, I am betting the river all day long.

we easily have the most Kx in our percieved and actual range here than both the opener and the bb.

PokerStars Hand #107345510807: Tournament #818658016, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2000/4000) - 2013/11/21 7:29:50 WET [2013/11/21 2:29:50 ET]
Table '818658016 31' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: jeckleson (48224 in chips)
Seat 2: intervntion (215739 in chips)
Seat 3: NLitez2 (322172 in chips)
Seat 5: duck103 (49442 in chips)
Seat 6: Ace22Two (34565 in chips)
Seat 7: giisela (110896 in chips)
Seat 8: Demonic16 (243604 in chips)
jeckleson: posts the ante 400
intervntion: posts the ante 400
NLitez2: posts the ante 400
duck103: posts the ante 400
Ace22Two: posts the ante 400
giisela: posts the ante 400
Demonic16: posts the ante 400
jeckleson: posts small blind 2000
intervntion: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Demonic16 [Tc Td]
NLitez2: raises 4000 to 8000
duck103: folds
Ace22Two: folds
giisela: folds
Demonic16: calls 8000
jeckleson: folds
intervntion: calls 4000
*** FLOP *** [8s Kd 3d]
intervntion: checks
NLitez2: checks
Demonic16: checks
*** TURN *** [8s Kd 3d] [Qs]
intervntion: bets 12889
NLitez2: folds
Demonic16: calls 12889
*** RIVER *** [8s Kd 3d Qs] [9h]
intervntion: bets 38450
Demonic16: raises 86320 to 124770


Don't really like my postflop line apart from the river. Probs pretty butchered really. Thoughts otr?

repping too thin for me 99/JT for value and you would bet JTs on the flop when checked to, esp with JTdd
if he doesn't know you well, you might get away with it, i think a reg he knows would get called fairly wide here

would also fold 99 ott fwiw. repping just the jt and he looks like he likes his hand with sizing, v liekly qqq?

highly doubt he would just call QQ here with a seemingly capped button range of hero's. a heap of 2 pair hands tho and 88/33, he is ofc barrelling a big % of the time with no pair

ohhh yeah, absolutely not.

well he has all the jt combos that we dont block, k8s, k3, kqo, kqs, k9s, 88, 33 as range imo.