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Title: BB vs SB situations 16-20 blinds deep: Shove or fold over 2.2x open? Post by: rfgqqabc on December 28, 2013, 07:18:13 AM [xpost from 2+2 HSMTT]
Everyone runs into this situation quite frequently and I don't think it's gotten an adequate amount of discussion. I'll make up a scenario and give a few possible holdings. We are pre-antes in a random $109 freezeout. The SB (a random mediocre reg) opens to 2.2x, 19 blinds effective, and you are in the BB. Do you shove, call, or fold when you hold: (a) KJo (b) K9o (c) Q7s (d) 86s (e) 44 (f) A8o I wouldn't really give much thought to folding any of these hands. And while I'm sure that shoving a hand like KJo is profitable, I wonder if flatting is more profitable. Anyone want to take a stab at this complicated problem? You can address just one of the hands if it's too much to discuss all four (6, i added two). Title: Re: BB vs SB situations 16-20 blinds deep: Shove or fold over 2.2x open? Post by: PathFinder on December 28, 2013, 08:08:20 AM (a) KJo - just call, flops well and it's pre-ante.
(b) K9o - there's room to 3bet fold this hand so would 3bet not shove. Blocker helps this. (c) Q7s - Same as K9 (d) 86s - probably just fold don't hate a call as you can semi bluff a lot of flops. (e) 44 - Shove>3bet call>call>3bet fold (f) A8o - think there's an argument for everything bar folding. Because its pre-ante I believe 3betting can be used. Title: Re: BB vs SB situations 16-20 blinds deep: Shove or fold over 2.2x open? Post by: pleno1 on December 28, 2013, 10:35:13 AM Call all, shove 44 fosho and a8 depending on reads. Think folding anŷ of the others would be pretty bad.
Title: Re: BB vs SB situations 16-20 blinds deep: Shove or fold over 2.2x open? Post by: pleno1 on December 28, 2013, 10:41:33 AM I don't think they are even that interesting think
1) k8o 2) 74s 3) ato 4) 88 5) q6s Would be better to discuss Rest just have way too good playability/flop so well to wnt to consider folding imo Title: Re: BB vs SB situations 16-20 blinds deep: Shove or fold over 2.2x open? Post by: Pinchop73 on December 28, 2013, 12:20:10 PM Surely we need to know the mediocre regs' perception of us/history with us? Calling/folding/betting ranges will be skewed enormously depending on if we are viewed as a supernit or a spewmonkey
Title: Re: BB vs SB situations 16-20 blinds deep: Shove or fold over 2.2x open? Post by: rfgqqabc on December 28, 2013, 01:02:25 PM Surely we need to know the mediocre regs' perception of us/history with us? Calling/folding/betting ranges will be skewed enormously depending on if we are viewed as a supernit or a spewmonkey Random supernova? K9o a flat? |