Title: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: Flash92 on December 29, 2013, 09:02:07 PM http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/6651566_1CFF17F7D7
EP guy is 33/22, MP is megafish at 67/41, BU is only a dozen hands running at 36/9 Too much to shove or is it okay here? Prefer a flat or 3B to what size? Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: Flash92 on December 30, 2013, 03:33:04 AM any thoughts, see a lot have ready ha!?
Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: gouty on December 30, 2013, 04:52:02 AM Reminds me of my 6pm till 7pm play every Sunday in our local casino. Get a stack or drive home to the pub and get on it.
That's probably not a good thing. Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: corkeye on December 30, 2013, 07:32:30 AM I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically.
Fold pre>peel>3b>jam. I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me. Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it. Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: Flash92 on December 30, 2013, 07:58:13 AM I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically. Fold pre>peel>3b>jam. I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me. Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it. How can folding be better than peeling given players stats and the tournament? Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: Ironside on December 30, 2013, 08:03:03 AM I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically. Fold pre>peel>3b>jam. I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me. Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it. How can folding be better than peeling given players stats and the tournament? Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: willrobrobu on December 30, 2013, 01:12:20 PM peel 100%
Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: Jono3131 on December 30, 2013, 03:54:35 PM I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically. Fold pre>peel>3b>jam. I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me. Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it. How can folding be better than peeling given players stats and the tournament? Lol what?!?!? You're oop with a hand that makes the best hand a lot.... Folding is completely out of the question. With this amount of dead money in there the jam is fine. If against a single raiser then clearly not. Those saying fold had too much to drink over xmas Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: Ironside on December 30, 2013, 03:59:42 PM I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically. Fold pre>peel>3b>jam. I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me. Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it. How can folding be better than peeling given players stats and the tournament? Lol what?!?!? You're oop with a hand that makes the best hand a lot.... Folding is completely out of the question. With this amount of dead money in there the jam is fine. If against a single raiser then clearly not. Those saying fold had too much to drink over xmas makes 2nd best wayy too many times much more often than making best hand suited isnt so bad but even if you flop top pair you dont even have top kicker i dont mind the shove it gets through more often than not (unless your rep is as loose as mine) but never ever peeling with this hand in SB Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: Jono3131 on December 30, 2013, 04:03:28 PM I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically. Fold pre>peel>3b>jam. I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me. Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it. How can folding be better than peeling given players stats and the tournament? Lol what?!?!? You're oop with a hand that makes the best hand a lot.... Folding is completely out of the question. With this amount of dead money in there the jam is fine. If against a single raiser then clearly not. Those saying fold had too much to drink over xmas makes 2nd best wayy too many times much more often than making best hand suited isnt so bad but even if you flop top pair you dont even have top kicker i dont mind the shove it gets through more often than not (unless your rep is as loose as mine) but never ever peeling with this hand in SB So the raiser only raises AK and AQ? Not kq, kj, Qj, qts some kt/k9s? And all the peelers are more likely to have AK/AQ then any of the previous hands mentioned? And when it comes KT5 they don't ever do money with gutshots/2nd pair etc? You're reasoning is absurd. Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: Ironside on December 30, 2013, 05:16:19 PM I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically. Fold pre>peel>3b>jam. I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me. Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it. How can folding be better than peeling given players stats and the tournament? Lol what?!?!? You're oop with a hand that makes the best hand a lot.... Folding is completely out of the question. With this amount of dead money in there the jam is fine. If against a single raiser then clearly not. Those saying fold had too much to drink over xmas makes 2nd best wayy too many times much more often than making best hand suited isnt so bad but even if you flop top pair you dont even have top kicker i dont mind the shove it gets through more often than not (unless your rep is as loose as mine) but never ever peeling with this hand in SB So the raiser only raises AK and AQ? Not kq, kj, Qj, qts some kt/k9s? And all the peelers are more likely to have AK/AQ then any of the previous hands mentioned? And when it comes KT5 they don't ever do money with gutshots/2nd pair etc? You're reasoning is absurd. no KQ oops against 3 possible 4 oppos when BB calls will make 2nd best too many times and you will lose more than you win either isolate or fold IMHO limping in will lose you he most in the long run Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: verndog158 on December 30, 2013, 05:37:16 PM am always peeling, but to shove 37bbs with this hand in the storm is ridiculous.
considering this is probably over average at this stage too, think its stupid. peel as generally flops well in my opinion Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: JGill_DTD on December 30, 2013, 05:59:39 PM Depends how comfortable you are postflop.
In the Storm I peel pretty much all of the time, however in a regfest vs solid players I probably fold the majority of the time. Jamming is the nut worst line imo. You are so deep, jam gets through majority of the time but when it doesn't you are in terrible shape. OR playing PFR 22 is probs a bit tighter than that in EP (lets say 15% or so), meaning J10s is bottom of his range so he isn't THAT wide. He probs calls with top 4% of hands, so he calls ~30% of the time which is a fair amount when you are risking 37 bigs in this spot. Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: Flash92 on December 30, 2013, 06:23:46 PM Depends how comfortable you are postflop. In the Storm I peel pretty much all of the time, however in a regfest vs solid players I probably fold the majority of the time. Jamming is the nut worst line imo. You are so deep, jam gets through majority of the time but when it doesn't you are in terrible shape. OR playing PFR 22 is probs a bit tighter than that in EP (lets say 15% or so), meaning J10s is bottom of his range so he isn't THAT wide. He probs calls with top 4% of hands, so he calls ~30% of the time which is a fair amount when you are risking 37 bigs in this spot. Good post. thank you. Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: rfgqqabc on December 31, 2013, 01:31:40 AM How can a flat possibly be bad when we can play for 2pairs, trips and straights and still be profitable? We are calling 900 into 5040 and the big blind will have an extremely good price at this point also. We don't just have to stack off on K/Q high boards, we can just call the flop and fold turns especially on dry boards because people don't barrel light in these tournaments.
3bing would also be fine although stack sizes are a little awkward. If we make it about 5k, we will have a nice low stack to pot ratio and people will have a hard time 4bing as a bluff so we can be fairly happy 3b/folding even though it is for a chunk of our stack. Again if we make top pair we really dont have to worry too much, people are likely to get AK in pre and AQ might fold or might shove as well. We really don't have to worry too much about being dominated with a spr of 3. If one of the players are particularly crazy then 3b/folding becomes worse, we pretty much have to fold but can definitely get shown worse sometimes and have good equity vs their range. I'm never folding preflop, I think I 3b here and flat more at higher stakes. Jamming > folding too imo. Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: pleno1 on December 31, 2013, 06:49:03 PM I always always jam in these spots in the storm/bigger11 etc
Fuck em! Calling is probably going t be best though because we will be able to,play so well vs them as they will be very upfront with their bet sizes etc Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: Flash92 on December 31, 2013, 09:01:01 PM How can a flat possibly be bad when we can play for 2pairs, trips and straights and still be profitable? We are calling 900 into 5040 and the big blind will have an extremely good price at this point also. We don't just have to stack off on K/Q high boards, we can just call the flop and fold turns especially on dry boards because people don't barrel light in these tournaments. 3bing would also be fine although stack sizes are a little awkward. If we make it about 5k, we will have a nice low stack to pot ratio and people will have a hard time 4bing as a bluff so we can be fairly happy 3b/folding even though it is for a chunk of our stack. Again if we make top pair we really dont have to worry too much, people are likely to get AK in pre and AQ might fold or might shove as well. We really don't have to worry too much about being dominated with a spr of 3. If one of the players are particularly crazy then 3b/folding becomes worse, we pretty much have to fold but can definitely get shown worse sometimes and have good equity vs their range. I'm never folding preflop, I think I 3b here and flat more at higher stakes. Jamming > folding too imo. I always always jam in these spots in the storm/bigger11 etc Fuck em! Calling is probably going t be best though because we will be able to,play so well vs them as they will be very upfront with their bet sizes etc Ha, two very different posts. Both are quite insightful. I guess all options have some merit... I decided to jam here as I hate it when I get one or several calls and am OOP and in a tough spot if I miss the flop. Title: Re: 37BBs w/KQo Post by: rfgqqabc on January 01, 2014, 03:24:20 PM How can a flat possibly be bad when we can play for 2pairs, trips and straights and still be profitable? We are calling 900 into 5040 and the big blind will have an extremely good price at this point also. We don't just have to stack off on K/Q high boards, we can just call the flop and fold turns especially on dry boards because people don't barrel light in these tournaments. 3bing would also be fine although stack sizes are a little awkward. If we make it about 5k, we will have a nice low stack to pot ratio and people will have a hard time 4bing as a bluff so we can be fairly happy 3b/folding even though it is for a chunk of our stack. Again if we make top pair we really dont have to worry too much, people are likely to get AK in pre and AQ might fold or might shove as well. We really don't have to worry too much about being dominated with a spr of 3. If one of the players are particularly crazy then 3b/folding becomes worse, we pretty much have to fold but can definitely get shown worse sometimes and have good equity vs their range. I'm never folding preflop, I think I 3b here and flat more at higher stakes. Jamming > folding too imo. I always always jam in these spots in the storm/bigger11 etc Fuck em! Calling is probably going t be best though because we will be able to,play so well vs them as they will be very upfront with their bet sizes etc Ha, two very different posts. Both are quite insightful. I guess all options have some merit... I decided to jam here as I hate it when I get one or several calls and am OOP and in a tough spot if I miss the flop. punters gonna punt. |