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A soft PL 50nl table. Villain is a multitabling reg iirc, winning player and can be aggro.

4 players limp to me for $0.50, i pot it to $3.00 from the BB with Ks Qh
All players call including villain from button.

Flop  Kh 8h 3h

I bet out $9.50. The two fish fold, villain flats otb with about $40 left. SB folds.

Turn 5s


What should our plan be? Bet/call, bet/fold (sizes?), check?

Thoughts on check jamming? Not saying I would, stack sizes make this one kinda awkward though, defo interested on others thoughts.

Villain's range should be insanely strong here.

struggling to remember if i'm involved in this hand....

edit even if i'm not in this one although it def rings a bell I have no chat otherwise I would respond when you chat to me!



theoretically you should be dead and c/f'ing.

i wouldnt lead here for more than 1/3rd five ways but i also wont often play PLH lol

i take a smaller cbet, try to get fish involved in making worse flushes.

have no idea what we should do now! i'd freq bet/call now in game. but as said by the other guys, you most likely are gonna be about drawing dead

Bet call itt seems ridiculously optimistic. Could you assign a range where it become profitable?

I'm not sure about the pessimism itt regarding our hand. Villain has a joke wide range and was the last one to act otf. He can still sometimes peel 8x and definitely worse kings.

we got 1.3 pot back? IDK seems hard not to be betting and i seems impossible we're betting not to be calling afterwards.

IDK what the hell is going on here, I expect this sort of nonsense from Pleno but thought much better of you Amir.

There are two reasons why villain is likely to have a very strong range here.

Partly it is because:

1. We have cbet from OOP into three opponents. Our perceived range is thus pretty damn strong, so villain is less likely to make light peels. And also, villain does not NEED to defend anything other than a very strong range - since the 'responsibility' for defending against our cbet is shared between him and the two other villains.

But much more importantly:

2. It is to do with villain's preflop range and how this interacts with the flop texture. He is an aggressive regular who has overlimped after two weak players have limped. So what does he have? Almost exclusively he has small pairs, suited connectors/gappers, and perhaps some other raggy suited stuff like the odd K7s or whatever. He is not going to have (m)any broadway cards (suited or offsuit), and he is very unlikely to have a hand like 87 offsuit or K6 offsuit.
This range either smashes this flop (a flush or a set) or completely whiffs it. There are not many partial hits. Yes, he will have a small amount of Kx and 8x hands on the flop - but combinatorically not very many. Especially given that he would raise a lot of Kx hands preflop, and that he is not going to have any offsuit combos of 8x and in fact very few offsuit Kx combos. Plus, given point 1 above, he might well fold the flop with the small number of 8x hands that he has. He can't have hands like TT with Th or Ah6x or KJ etc because of preflop.

+1 to stu, adding that if he has one of the low sets him peeling the flop bet seems unlikely hence once he just peels flop it should probably just be the Axhh innit.



i'm trying to remember whether it was me in this hand or not it kinda rings a bell but i've played a tonne this month. :p

I think he would usually peel flop with a set as well as a flush.

Although, if it was indeed you in the hand titty then you obviously know best what you'd do with a set lol!

Also, why can't we edit or delete posts any more? Option seems to have vanished. I wanted to edit an earlier post ITT and found I couldn't.

30 minute edit window.


i'm trying to remember if this was me, i've been on every sky table running for the last few days so kind of assume it is.

+ if the read isn't face roller onto keyboard then it could 'maybe' be me lol. + I think I probably overlimp alot more than most people when it's multiway limped and especially more than most 21 tablers on sky looool.


I realise that calling sets is a more balanced play but that word doesn't come into strategising on sky very often + people are alot more unwilling to fold hands they should when raised here + seeing a hearty fall on the turn is long when they can potentially have some odd hands in their range. maybe it'd be best to have no calling range on this flop, depends how out of line we think the pfr can be getting.  think like small mid pps that aren't sets are an easy fold on the flop when he cbets into 4 players but  yeh I dunno maybe i'm just confusing myself thinking it was me in the hand.


think if it's vs me this is a def c/f :s  if the other two get involved rather than the button overlimper I would be alot more comfortable betting again/not instantly folding.

Fml i'm the worst


Haha nah it wasn't you, but seeing as you're on all the tables all the time i can't imagine you wouldn't have been on this one to witness :P


Results: I bet/sighhh called and was shown  5h 6h. 

meh your reads prob bad then lolz.

I do like however when I 3bet you you do the BEANEHHHHH in chat before folding :p

Hahaha i like it too lol

I always notice brah!! it's a nice touch  xx

Can't seem to either edit or delete a post, even just a few seconds after posting it. The modify and delete buttons seem to have vanished for me. No idea what is going on here. Bit of a problem actually... without a modify option I may end up writing posts like Plenop's ;)


I was not thinking of balance in the slightest!


Yeah I'd agree with this and was going to post something similar. If one of the other two call then their range is not as nutted as if the competent reg calls.

TBH, if this was not the case then it is doubtful whether you should even cbet the flop. e.g. Imagine all three opponents were competent regs (the preflop limping makes this problematic to conceive but bear with me...), in this case you probably do not have a flop value bet due to the strength of their range when they call you. Or rather, you may have a flop cbet but have to size it very small.

merely mean more balanced in the sense that if we're ever marginal here we want to just call and its kinda easy for us to get blown off our hand on the turn with psr.

hence why I then thought maybe we should just raise when continuing as it allows us to keep the Ah draws etc in.