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Title: PLO8 MTT river decision - LINE CHECK? help pls? Post by: Oxford_HRV on January 12, 2014, 03:53:47 AM PokerStars Hand #109993221418: Tournament #843078324, $10+$1 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit
Table '843078324 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 2: COUGAR485 (5156 in chips) Seat 3: agentj25 (5092 in chips) Seat 4: PAhakuutti (6545 in chips) Seat 5: da_judge2 (9613 in chips) Seat 6: elkijs (4475 in chips) Seat 7: HERO (7270 in chips) Seat 8: harazen (4093 in chips) Seat 9: stopgamble (6825 in chips) PAhakuutti: posts small blind 75 da_judge2: posts big blind 150 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to HERO [2d Ad 3s 2s] elkijs: folds HERO: calls 150 harazen: folds stopgamble: folds COUGAR485: calls 150 agentj25: folds PAhakuutti: calls 75 da_judge2: checks *** FLOP *** [2h 8d Qd] PAhakuutti: checks da_judge2: checks HERO: bets 450 COUGAR485: calls 450 PAhakuutti: folds da_judge2: calls 450 *** TURN *** [2h 8d Qd] [4h] da_judge2: checks HERO: bets 1500 COUGAR485: calls 1500 da_judge2: calls 1500 *** RIVER *** [2h 8d Qd 4h] [9h] da_judge2: checks HERO: bets 2400 COUGAR485: raises 656 to 3056 and is all-in da_judge2: folds HERO: calls 656 *** SHOW DOWN *** COUGAR485: shows [3h Th Ac 5d] (HI: a flush, Ten high; LO: 8,4,3,2,A) HERO: shows [2d Ad 3s 2s] (HI: three of a kind, Deuces; LO: 8,4,3,2,A) COUGAR485 collected 6281 from pot HERO collected 3141 from pot COUGAR485 collected 3140 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 12562 | Rake 0 Board [2h 8d Qd 4h 9h] Seat 2: COUGAR485 showed [3h Th Ac 5d] and won (9421) with HI: a flush, Ten high; LO: 8,4,3,2,A Seat 3: agentj25 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: PAhakuutti (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 5: da_judge2 (big blind) folded on the River Seat 6: elkijs folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: HERO showed [2d Ad 3s 2s] and won (3141) with HI: three of a kind, Deuces; LO: 8,4,3,2,A Seat 8: harazen folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: stopgamble folded before Flop (didn't bet) Title: Re: PLO8 MTT river decision - LINE CHECK? help pls? Post by: tikay on January 12, 2014, 09:24:44 AM I can't see you did much wrong here, you just got quartered by the ultimate cooler & your man backed into nut nut.
You ask for a "line check" on the river, but I don't see it makes any meaningful difference whether you bet-call, or check-call. You are never folding, so it's almost the same thing. We don't play for chops, we play for scoops, but with so much in the pot, we never ever fold the river here even though our high is not beating anything. He could easily have the same low as you, & no high. Completely unrelated, but how many runners do these things typically get on 'Stars? Title: Re: PLO8 MTT river decision - LINE CHECK? help pls? Post by: Doobs on January 12, 2014, 09:56:17 AM Was going to reply earlier, but it is just borderline 50p. You can't ever assume he only has A3 and the flush. You have to bet, as more often he has A3 and a worse high. As Tikay said, we can't ever fold if he bets, so we only save a tiny amount if we check call anyway. So you are balancing a small additional loss if you bet when he has better vs a big loss if you don't bet and he has worse.
$50 one gets about 60, $100 one is really struggling. There was tiny overlay last couple of times I played. Title: Re: PLO8 MTT river decision - LINE CHECK? help pls? Post by: tikay on January 12, 2014, 10:05:06 AM Doobs explained it better than I did, but exactly the same thoughts. At best, we save a few hundred chips by check-calling. All standard stuff, I'd say. Only 60 runners for the $50, & less for the $100? That's pretty sad to hear. I'm interested in playing more PLO8, & hoped the field sizes would be bigger. Can't recall the last time I played on 'Stars - maybe 8 years ago. Title: Re: PLO8 MTT river decision - LINE CHECK? help pls? Post by: Doobs on January 12, 2014, 10:16:19 AM Doobs explained it better than I did, but exactly the same thoughts. At best, we save a few hundred chips by check-calling. All standard stuff, I'd say. Only 60 runners for the $50, & less for the $100? That's pretty sad to hear. I'm interested in playing more PLO8, & hoped the field sizes would be bigger. Can't recall the last time I played on 'Stars - maybe 8 years ago. There were 27 runners last night in the 100, 28 the night before. It is guaranteed at 3k. It used to get 100 at one time. They have a $25 hyper NLO8 that gets over 100. Really sad, some players join late and just shove nearly every hand. Title: Re: PLO8 MTT river decision - LINE CHECK? help pls? Post by: tikay on January 12, 2014, 11:02:52 AM Doobs explained it better than I did, but exactly the same thoughts. At best, we save a few hundred chips by check-calling. All standard stuff, I'd say. Only 60 runners for the $50, & less for the $100? That's pretty sad to hear. I'm interested in playing more PLO8, & hoped the field sizes would be bigger. Can't recall the last time I played on 'Stars - maybe 8 years ago. There were 27 runners last night in the 100, 28 the night before. It is guaranteed at 3k. It used to get 100 at one time. They have a $25 hyper NLO8 that gets over 100. Really sad, some players join late and just shove nearly every hand. 27? Ugh. Sign of the times I suppose. I can't even grasp the need for Rush, or Zoom, can't quite see where the pleasure is derived. NL08 ticks no boxes for me, none at all. Title: Re: PLO8 MTT river decision - LINE CHECK? help pls? Post by: Oxford_HRV on January 14, 2014, 12:42:14 AM I can't see you did much wrong here, you just got quartered by the ultimate cooler & your man backed into nut nut. You ask for a "line check" on the river, but I don't see it makes any meaningful difference whether you bet-call, or check-call. You are never folding, so it's almost the same thing. We don't play for chops, we play for scoops, but with so much in the pot, we never ever fold the river here even though our high is not beating anything. He could easily have the same low as you, & no high. Completely unrelated, but how many runners do these things typically get on 'Stars? i was thinkin its 3 way on the river maybe should i check/raise because there's more of a possibility to get a call from da_judge when COUGAR will bet on the river and i'm effectively just betting the lo' 3 ways? this was an $11r $1k gtd got 72 players. early hours start time, around 2-3am Title: Re: PLO8 MTT river decision - LINE CHECK? help pls? Post by: rfgqqabc on January 14, 2014, 01:54:03 AM The best PLO8 comp online is probably the full tilt 109. Its 5k guarantee with a good structure. Better than the stars one for sure. Hopefully when stars schedule changes they will be making a bigger Omania. O8 should get the 55 or 109. (Actually the best plo8 comp is the 55 saturday 6max on stars. Its got the best field EVER. Probably the softest 55 on stars.)
Hand is played fine. Dislike preflop but its stylistic. If we had just one 3 high suit I'd prefer a limp, but in general we want to be opening imo. River is the perfect betsize, it allows us to get two calls. Which is pretty much ideal. I'd also argue its fairly criminal not to bet in this situation. People simply aren't very good. We miss out on a tremendous amount of value if we check, even if it is to check/raise. We've missed the nfd, and people who might just have the low will check when they would have called the bet. |