Title: UKIPT overlay Post by: skalie on January 13, 2014, 05:41:31 PM I really really believe this could be the biggest overlay in pokerstars history, even more than Isle of Man.
Firstly they have failed to make a guarantee in Galway, Isle of Man and Notts, there is nothing to suggest this will be better attended. Secondly its straight after Xmas so its cold (people put off by traveling up there) and everyone will be feeling the pinch in their pockets. And most importantly I am led to believe that there are no cash buy ins available at the venue. Meaning the only way to register is online. Even if they got people to open new accounts they cannot deposit enough for the buy in. "$1500 max i think" and a lot of people who have rarely used accounts wont be able to deposit enough either. Even worse for them is without a cash facility I don't see how they can run the super satellites on weds and thursday night. It could mean an overlay of anywhere between 100-200k. If you win a seat in tonights DTD qualifier and sell a piece of yourself I really don't think you are overvaluing your tickets by selling pieces at 1.3. Sell 20-30% and cover your exes. I would buy a piece but I can't afford it, so don't ask! Good Luck All. Oh, expect to read this on facebook too, #shamlessspamming Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: lucky_scrote on January 13, 2014, 05:53:12 PM I'm still not going, it's cold there.
Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: Tal on January 13, 2014, 05:58:56 PM If you win a seat in tonights DTD qualifier and sell a piece of yourself I really don't think you are overvaluing your tickets by selling pieces at 1.3. Sell 20-30%
Skalie opens the staking floodgates... (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Rc8k_D3yYoE/Tw4IyOKMysI/AAAAAAAAAls/awgasVzJMfA/s320/Stephen-Colbert-Popcorn.gif) Go on, tell us it will be full of French farmers, too, so 1.5+ is a minimum for an average player. (http://i.imgur.com/r7njd.gif) Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: Ironside on January 13, 2014, 06:01:39 PM I'm still not going, it's cold there. its still in dbl digit in the north of scotland its not going too be that cold that far south Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: celtic on January 13, 2014, 06:09:40 PM I've just spent 6 days in fife and Aberdeen. Was sunny and 8-10 degrees every day. Fucking English poofs with their cold up there bullshit get on my tits.
Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: Boba Fett on January 13, 2014, 06:11:27 PM I think itll get more than Isle of Man, they got 379, there is currently 309 people regged for the main through sats and direct buyins, add in people who sat in on stars today and DTD today and tomorrow and people that show up and buyin Id think it would have to be more than 70 players. I think there will be overlay but I think it might not even hit 100k overlay.
At the no-cash venues they usually have a security team that can instantly increase your deposit limits so you can deposit for the buyin so people should be able to get their money on PS - Its wet but not that cold Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: millidonk on January 13, 2014, 06:12:06 PM Who cares about the weather or is this event being played outdoors?
Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: The Camel on January 13, 2014, 06:12:44 PM I've just spent 6 days in fife and Aberdeen. Was sunny and 8-10 degrees every day. Fucking English poofs with their cold up there bullshit get on my tits. i love it when you talk dirty Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: Boba Fett on January 13, 2014, 06:15:46 PM I've just spent 6 days in fife and Aberdeen. Was sunny and 8-10 degrees every day. Fucking English poofs with their cold up there bullshit get on my tits. :DTitle: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: skalie on January 13, 2014, 06:23:33 PM I think itll get more than Isle of Man, they got 379, there is currently 309 people regged for the main through sats and direct buyins, add in people who sat in on stars today and DTD today and tomorrow and people that show up and buyin Id think it would have to be more than 70 players. I think there will be overlay but I think it might not even hit 100k overlay. At the no-cash venues they usually have a security team that can instantly increase your deposit limits so you can deposit for the buyin so people should be able to get their money on PS - Its wet but not that cold AS of saturday they only had around 200 registered i heard from a member of Pokerstars staff. As for the buyin I also know that they were intending to allow Gentings to allow the buy ins but that has all gone tits up. Despite the generous offer from genting. They cannot legally accept cash buy ins at the venue. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: celtic on January 13, 2014, 06:56:53 PM Oops, that sounds a lot harsher than I meant it to sound. Still true though :)
Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: JGill_DTD on January 13, 2014, 07:25:30 PM I'm allowed to sell at 1.3 now because Skallie said so :)
Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: tight4better on January 13, 2014, 07:29:20 PM Field will be soft as well so I'll be selling at 3.14.
Cause I like Pi. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: rfgqqabc on January 13, 2014, 08:12:40 PM What will cash games be like if the venue is no cash or w/e? Was briefly tempted but I think Boba put me off again.
Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: GreekStein on January 13, 2014, 08:17:55 PM I've just spent 6 days in fife and Aberdeen. Was sunny and 8-10 degrees every day. Fucking English poofs with their cold up there bullshit get on my tits. Hopefully a mod doesn't ban you for this very very very rude and extremely racialisticalist statement. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: skalie on January 13, 2014, 08:21:35 PM What will cash games be like if the venue is no cash or w/e? Was briefly tempted but I think Boba put me off again. The local Genting casino is gonna be all geared up for it Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: Boba Fett on January 13, 2014, 08:31:49 PM What will cash games be like if the venue is no cash or w/e? Was briefly tempted but I think Boba put me off again. Genting are offering free taxis from the venue. They usually have good cash games anyway. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: DTD-ACES on January 13, 2014, 10:35:59 PM We have set up direct buy-in for the UKIPT Edinburgh for anyone that cannot buy-in direct through the Stars client for whatever reason. Any probs contact Nicola _ Link is here
http://www.dtdshop.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=17&vmcchk=1 Cheers ACES Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: scotty2hatty on January 13, 2014, 11:15:15 PM Don't listen to these guys, it is absolutely freezing!
Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: luther101 on January 13, 2014, 11:15:43 PM I've just spent 6 days in fife and Aberdeen. Was sunny and 8-10 degrees every day. Fucking English poofs with their cold up there bullshit get on my tits. But you're not even Scotch, Vinny ..... you're from phuqqin Enfield (you fat English poof etc). And who cares if the biggest on-line poker site in the world has to stump up for an overlay? It might just cover all the dough they've appropriated out of the prize-pools - to 'cover' dealers costs etc - in the past. Jokerstars .... Gertcha! Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: leethefish on January 13, 2014, 11:18:24 PM I've just spent 6 days in fife and Aberdeen. Was sunny and 8-10 degrees every day. Fucking English poofs with their cold up there bullshit get on my tits. Hopefully a mod doesn't ban you for this very very very rude and extremely racialisticalist statement. And homophobic ;ifm; Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: Ironside on January 13, 2014, 11:26:03 PM Don't listen to these guys, it is absolutely freezing! nice try keep the field small and the overlay big i like your work Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: celtic on January 13, 2014, 11:29:30 PM I've just spent 6 days in fife and Aberdeen. Was sunny and 8-10 degrees every day. Fucking English poofs with their cold up there bullshit get on my tits. Hopefully a mod doesn't ban you for this very very very rude and extremely racialisticalist statement. And homophobic ;ifm; [/quote :)] Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: RedFox on January 14, 2014, 12:26:32 AM I'm still not going, it's cold there. its still in dbl digit in the north of scotland its not going too be that cold that far south Very balmy oop in the far north as the man said - its gonna be like the tropics in old reekie - binked a sat seat so packing my sun cream and heading sarf :) Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: Alverton on January 14, 2014, 05:04:23 PM From Genting Club FountinPark, Edinburgh
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Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: Rupert on January 14, 2014, 06:56:26 PM the first rule of overlay...
Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: blueace on January 15, 2014, 10:37:21 AM Who cares about the weather or is this event being played outdoors? Exactly, not for me this one, ticked this leg off two years ago, no hurry to go back all that way. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: pokerplayingfarmer on January 15, 2014, 08:39:54 PM the first rule of overlay... Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: TightEnd on January 17, 2014, 06:50:48 PM Day 1b: 311 entrants bring the total runners to 427.
£73,000 overlay Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: luther101 on January 18, 2014, 01:23:35 AM Day 1b: 311 entrants bring the total runners to 427. £73,000 overlay Fantastic .... about time they gave something back to the game that they 'asset strip' so mercillessly - I hope every other leg is a complete disaster for them too! Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: tikay on January 18, 2014, 08:44:55 AM Day 1b: 311 entrants bring the total runners to 427. £73,000 overlay Fantastic .... about time they gave something back to the game that they 'asset strip' so mercillessly - I hope every other leg is a complete disaster for them too! That is a little churlish, Luther? We may not all be 'Stars fans, but without them, the poker scene (Online and Live) would be very different indeed. Nobody is forced to play on their Site, or in their Live Events, but I see no reason to wish them ill. I think it is short-sighted for poker players to think overlay is a good thing. It is not - nothing good can come of it. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: luther101 on January 18, 2014, 09:03:59 AM I'd have a different opinion if they didn't help themselves to a percentage of the players prize pool in their live events .... like Stars need the money! Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: tikay on January 18, 2014, 09:25:54 AM I'd have a different opinion if they didn't help themselves to a percentage of the players prize pool in their live events .... like Stars need the money! If poker players are still happy to play, knowing that, who can blame 'Stars? It's a business. Players are not forced to play their Events. PS - I should not really engage in this debate at 9am, when my grumpy-meter is usually at max. Carry on, as you were. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: BorntoBubble on January 18, 2014, 09:34:23 AM Think Stars have overlayed in their last 3? live events. So they are definitely giving something back to the UK poker community putting on these large guarantees.
Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: DropTheHammer on January 18, 2014, 07:48:25 PM I'd have a different opinion if they didn't help themselves to a percentage of the players prize pool in their live events .... like Stars need the money! Too right. That extra slice they grab takes the mick. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: robyong on January 18, 2014, 09:03:44 PM Think Stars have overlayed in their last 3? live events. So they are definitely giving something back to the UK poker community putting on these large guarantees. All I can state is facts, rather than an opinion; 1. In terms of UKIPT's - PokerStars only take the 3% when the venue is outside of a casino/cardroom i.e. when they have much higher logistics costs. For example, it's not taken out of the prizepool at DTD. 2. PokerStars' UKIPT does not make a bean of profit from the players participating and never has, expenditure exceeds income including reg fees and 3%'s - so in that respect, all the 3%'s are doing is contributing to additional costs of the event. I am not party to how much UKIPT actually loses, but I would 'guess' the shortfall is subsidised by PokerStars. 3. Charging 3% from prizepools is prob better for poker than charging 13% reg fees, as the winners pay the extra costs, but I guess that's a whole new debate. Come to think of it, does anyone except Rastafish make money out of live tournament poker? :) Cheers Rob Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: bergeroo on January 18, 2014, 09:06:43 PM I'd have a different opinion if they didn't help themselves to a percentage of the players prize pool in their live events .... like Stars need the money! Too right. That extra slice they grab takes the mick. That pecentage goes to the dealers and the staff, not to Pokerstars the company. Not the same thing. They are at least up front in doing this. Some tournaments take money out for staff and don't even state it anywhere on advertising. However a personal gripe with this policy is that it is the same 3% for a four day tournament as for a turbo that takes a few hours. Also yeah because of this it is actually only 58k overlay instead of 73. Anyway I don't really mind either way if the make the guarantee or not, I suppose it is good if you travelled to play the event and it is actually a drop in the ocean for Stars. Would prob be better if they dropped their main event buy in a bit but maybe they don't want massive fields as there aren't actually that many places in the UK that can handle a 1k plus field. DTD a noted and honourable exception to this. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: bergeroo on January 18, 2014, 09:08:44 PM Think Stars have overlayed in their last 3? live events. So they are definitely giving something back to the UK poker community putting on these large guarantees. All I can state is facts, rather than an opinion; 1. In terms of UKIPT's - PokerStars only take the 3% when the venue is outside of a casino/cardroom i.e. when they have much higher logistics costs. For example, it's not taken out of the prizepool at DTD. 2. PokerStars' UKIPT does not make a bean of profit from the players participating and never has, so in that respect, all the 3%'s are doing contributing to additional costs. I am not party to how much UKIPT actually loses, but I would guess the shortfall is subsidised by PokerStars. Come to think of it, does anyone except Rastafish make money out of live tournament poker? :) Cheers Rob Good points Rob. A question. On the UKIPT site there is an asterisk next to the DTD event in May indicating that 3% will be taken out of the prizepool. Is this then not correct? http://www.ukipt.com/tournaments/ Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: robyong on January 18, 2014, 09:11:25 PM Think Stars have overlayed in their last 3? live events. So they are definitely giving something back to the UK poker community putting on these large guarantees. All I can state is facts, rather than an opinion; 1. In terms of UKIPT's - PokerStars only take the 3% when the venue is outside of a casino/cardroom i.e. when they have much higher logistics costs. For example, it's not taken out of the prizepool at DTD. 2. PokerStars' UKIPT does not make a bean of profit from the players participating and never has, so in that respect, all the 3%'s are doing contributing to additional costs. I am not party to how much UKIPT actually loses, but I would guess the shortfall is subsidised by PokerStars. Come to think of it, does anyone except Rastafish make money out of live tournament poker? :) Cheers Rob Good points Rob. A question. On the UKIPT site there is an asterisk next to the DTD event in May indicating that 3% will be taken out of the prizepool. Is this then not correct? http://www.ukipt.com/tournaments/ It's wrong, never has been the case at DTD, must be just a web site typo, I will let them know Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: pvas2 on January 18, 2014, 09:49:58 PM I'd have a different opinion if they didn't help themselves to a percentage of the players prize pool in their live events .... like Stars need the money! Too right. That extra slice they grab takes the mick. That pecentage goes to the dealers and the staff, not to Pokerstars the company. Not the same thing. They are at least up front in doing this. Some tournaments take money out for staff and don't even state it anywhere on advertising. However a personal gripe with this policy is that it is the same 3% for a four day tournament as for a turbo that takes a few hours. Also yeah because of this it is actually only 58k overlay instead of 73. Anyway I don't really mind either way if the make the guarantee or not, I suppose it is good if you travelled to play the event and it is actually a drop in the ocean for Stars. Would prob be better if they dropped their main event buy in a bit but maybe they don't want massive fields as there aren't actually that many places in the UK that can handle a 1k plus field. DTD a noted and honourable exception to this. I still worry with this 3% though because when you do cash an event the stars person at the cashout desk will still always ask "are you leaving anything for the staff and dealers?". Maybe not always that phrasing but they don't really go out of their way to tell you about the 3% unless you specifically look what the asterixes mean on schedules, thought when I ask them if they have with-held anything already they do mention it. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: The Squid on January 29, 2014, 01:53:52 PM Yh but that's asking if you want to tip. A tip (in sociological terms?) is a way of acknowledging fair/good/excellent service. It's also away of contributing to a better income for people who do a hard and often not well remunerated physical work, waitress/taxi-driver/dealer.
The 3% is their wage - we all obviously agree that they should pay. Leaving a tip is a way of acknowledging excellent service and as a successful player who takes a good chunk out of the poker economy giving something back to the people who facilitate that. When I used to play at The International it was completely standard we all tipped despite having an extra charge that already went to the dealers. Players and dealers were part the same community. Players from an internet background don't see tipping as important a) because they have a more realistic understanding of there ROI after expenses b) because they have a very narrow sense of community. It's a real shame more people don't tip and in the case of some of our most successful players it's pretty selfish. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: lucky_scrote on January 29, 2014, 03:05:08 PM Yh but that's asking if you want to tip. A tip (in sociological terms?) is a way of acknowledging fair/good/excellent service. It's also away of contributing to a better income for people who do a hard and often not well remunerated physical work, waitress/taxi-driver/dealer. The 3% is their wage - we all obviously agree that they should pay. Leaving a tip is a way of acknowledging excellent service and as a successful player who takes a good chunk out of the poker economy giving something back to the people who facilitate that. When I used to play at The International it was completely standard we all tipped despite having an extra charge that already went to the dealers. Players and dealers were part the same community. Players from an internet background don't see tipping as important a) because they have a more realistic understanding of there ROI after expenses b) because they have a very narrow sense of community. It's a real shame more people don't tip and in the case of some of our most successful players it's pretty selfish. Tricky when you're backed though. Say you're in £50k MU and bink for £50k. I used to always tip, but I don't win anymore so it doesn't matter. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: scotty77 on January 29, 2014, 06:24:14 PM I thought that the Stars dealers were on pretty decent money?
Totally agree when playing at a poker club like the International tho....used to play cash regularly at a local club where the dealers were just on tips and I'd make sure to tip every hand won. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: Magic817 on January 30, 2014, 01:25:37 AM I thought that the Stars dealers were on pretty decent money? Totally agree when playing at a poker club like the International tho....used to play cash regularly at a local club where the dealers were just on tips and I'd make sure to tip every hand won. Wow Ryan, dealers there must have been loaded! I agree with Sam's sentiment. Regarding the backed argument as backers I think an understanding should be there that an appropriate amount should go to dealers etc and should be split between backers/horse. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: pvas2 on January 30, 2014, 03:34:01 AM 3% of a £2k tourney isn't really on par with 3% of a £100 tourney though. I understand what you're saying though but don't think it applies because even though the EPT tourneys last 3 times as long so needs 3times as many dealer hours per play they are still getting 20 times the salary from that 3% all other things being equal. Maybe I don't understand the card room tipping economy though.
Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: madlondoner on February 02, 2014, 02:38:52 PM As far as I can tell the 3% isn't like their salary. They get an hourly wage, then the 3% which is a forced tip. Tipping on top shouldn't be expected. Sticking a tip bit on the layout form is fine but putting players on the spot to tip when they have already had a forced tip of 3% is out of line in my opinion. The costs of mtts is huge with travelling and hotels and very few people have a good enough roi to justify tipping more to staff who have already been fairly rewarded.
Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: The Squid on February 07, 2014, 05:48:43 PM As far as I can tell the 3% isn't like their salary. They get an hourly wage, then the 3% which is a forced tip. Tipping on top shouldn't be expected. Sticking a tip bit on the layout form is fine but putting players on the spot to tip when they have already had a forced tip of 3% is out of line in my opinion. The costs of mtts is huge with travelling and hotels and very few people have a good enough roi to justify tipping more to staff who have already been fairly rewarded. This is inaccurate their wage is solely the money taken from the prizepool. It's not additional. Your view is a selfish one. I'm advocating generosity. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: The Camel on February 08, 2014, 09:53:34 AM As far as I can tell the 3% isn't like their salary. They get an hourly wage, then the 3% which is a forced tip. Tipping on top shouldn't be expected. Sticking a tip bit on the layout form is fine but putting players on the spot to tip when they have already had a forced tip of 3% is out of line in my opinion. The costs of mtts is huge with travelling and hotels and very few people have a good enough roi to justify tipping more to staff who have already been fairly rewarded. This is inaccurate their wage is solely the money taken from the prizepool. It's not additional. Your view is a selfish one. I'm advocating generosity. Dealers should be paid out of the rake. They are part of the cost of running a tournament. If a winning player wants to reward decent dealers for their efforts, fine and good. But it should not be mandatory. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: SuuPRlim on February 08, 2014, 12:42:45 PM I have no problem with anything as long as it is very clearly outlined for all to see before committing any money to a tournament buyin.
If they wanna take 8% out of the prizepool to get the TD's wife's boob-job then that is fine as long as it's stated in a way that is almost impossible for anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to miss. We can argue the toss about the practical and technical aspects of running a poker tournament all night but as players I think all we need/should expect is transparency. Title: Re: UKIPT overlay Post by: madlondoner on February 08, 2014, 08:47:20 PM Are you sure that the 3% taken is their sole income? Some stars events such as ept Deauville and Dusk til dawn ukipt do not take a % from the prizepool and yet they still employ stars dealers who are presumably being paid for their efforts. I would not expect some events to have an hourly or trip wage whilst others on the same tour worked on the 3% model.
I do think that the paying of the staff should come out of the rake. I would always tip if a % had not already been taken but this should be in addition to the dealer's wages and not their wages, just as a % taken from the prizepool as a tip should be in addition to their wages and not their wages. |