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Messing around in a PLO tourney on Tilt.

Just wondering does this look OK?

Full Tilt Poker Game #33768344376: $150 Guarantee (263441633), Table 8 - PL Omaha Hi - 80/160 - 00:14:54 UTC - 2014/01/15 [19:14:54 ET - 2014/01/14]
Seat 1: jjandellis (10,225)
Seat 2: Alex23vip (7,400)
Seat 3: pepoker2409 (4,760)
Seat 4: 1 SEE THE STARS (3,820)
Seat 5: free bird34 (15,877)
Seat 6: CIAPUS (3,897)
Seat 7: decapus (3,000)
Seat 8: Xenia14 (1,905)
Seat 9: CanisDementis (8,755)
free bird34 posts the small blind of 80
CIAPUS posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jjandellis [Ah 8h 8c 7c]
decapus folds
Xenia14 folds
CanisDementis has 15 seconds left to act
CanisDementis folds
jjandellis raises to 560
Alex23vip folds
pepoker2409 folds
1 SEE THE STARS raises to 1,680
free bird34 has 15 seconds left to act
free bird34 folds
CIAPUS folds
jjandellis raises to 5,280
1 SEE THE STARS calls 2,140, and is all in

No

open is fine, although with aggro players id fold, this is the type of hand that is way nicer to call an open with than be first in.

Going all-in is just serious spew i'm afraid, anything but a fold to the 3bet is pretty ropey, you could prolly give me a couple of reasons why clling might be ok but I still don't like it.

what? he had rainbow KK with no ACE? thats a pretty bad call off from him, you've hit like stone stone bottom of his range (he shouldnt be all-in with that) and you are basically flipping, idk the maths id have thought he might have a cpl of % on you but wouldn't be surprised if its dead 50 50

All it takes is for him to have AKK, or even a suit with his terrible kings and your losing now.

it is literally impossible for him to have a worse hand than the one he did, aside from him just totally losing his head.

I hate it when people come out with the "he's only going to call with worse" guff  ;whistle;

More seriously, would the answer change if villain had say 8k? What range of hands would we expect to get him off? I assume anything other than folding to a 3bet is turning our hand into a bluff

*rambling away from the hand in question here sorry!


pre-flop in Omaha is a little less rigid than straight up "raise for value" "Raise as a bluff" it's pretty rare that you ever actually raise pre-flop "as a bluff" as it were in PLO you certainly raise hands that are "light" but this isn't the same in NL when you 3bet T6s as that is certainly a bluff 3bet (but you have some equity when called, but it's very unusual you could be callled and have anywhere near 40% equity) in PLO though you could 3bet someone from the btn with a hand like JT76ds and whereas in black and white definiton we are "bluffing" as in we don't really want him to 4bet us, and we certainly don't want to be all-in but we'll find that we'll be going to the flop with 40%+ equity a large % of the time, so IP that is pretty much a raise for "value."  We might find ourselves even a little disappointed when they fold to our 3bet.

Other reasons for a 3bet like this would be that our hand plays better HU than multi-way, so if on average we have 25% 3way, but have 40%+ HU and the initative then that's another "value" element to our re-raise. We could pick a hand to 3bet pre-flop like 4567single, which prolly won't have as much equity, and therefore could be the closest thing to "turning our hand into a bluff" pre-flop given that it's a hand we could call with, and maybe in a vacuum actually isn't a profitable 3-bet but its good for our range over-all to have these low boards covered in 3bet pots as well, so that's kinda the same thing as 3betting 65s etc in NL...


If he had 8k, 50bb, then I think calling starts to show a little more merit, however I still don't like calling the 3bet with THIS hand with even 100bb stacks (I guess maybe if you think the player is espcially weak you could make an argument) Really I feel very strongly that doing anything other than folding to the 3bet is a decent mistake.

I think the intial open is OK, however the BB has a small stack and there are 3 shorter stacks in between you so maybe given the risk you're going to be playing a shallow pot with this hand post-flop folding from the offset is actually better - I wouldn't hate limping this hand even, given how well it plays multi-way.


His actual hand i would have expected him to fold, however once he's 3bet off his stack he has closing in on half his chips in he is NEVER folding to the 4bet All-IN, so we have 0 fold equity here (imo) so in that case we need to make sure our hand has sufficient equity vs his range because we're gonna turn the cards over her most likely. If we have some (even a very small amount) of fold equity then the maths of situations like this become very forgiving, but you still need to have a hand that has enough equity 30%+ vs his legitimate 3betting range (hands that want to go all-in) and this hand just doesn't have that, despite actuallly finding ourselves a VERY small equity favorite in this hand we literally have run in to the absolute BOTTOM of his range, I don't think he can ever show us a hand here that has less equity vs our hand than this one does, and in my experience big broadway hands and hands with big pairs tend to be how people's "getting all-in" ranges tend to shape up away from AA with shorter stacks, so hands like AQQ5 etc which has us in a decent amount of trouble.