blonde poker forum

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1522323/

Does anyone have it and would they mind me having a lend of it? (or otherwise know where to get a copy)

Cheers!

found a link on 2+2 to google video but it's dead, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/37/televised-poker/poker-documentaries-online-1241526/


Will continue to have a look, seems like it might be far back enough that there aren't many digital copies about hence no proliferation on youtube etc.

was that the documentary with andy black?

Cheers for looking, I believe it was a documentary with a few of the Irish lads that year, including Andy Black.  It was recommended to me, I haven't seen it or been able to trace a copy tho.

I think its the one that also had Mad Marty in it, and his parts were piss funny if I remember.

I have seen it on the internet before, a few years back but like Titty drew a blank on finding it this time round.

Found the director on twitter

@mrjohnbutler Hi there.  Did you direct 'The Million Dollar Deal'?  If so do you know of anywhere online/any place I can get a copy?

Also looked into the Google Video.  The content will have be transferred to YouTube but its in private until the uploader changes the settings.  Nut result would be it is Mr Butler who uploaded it.

Ty Scotty and everyone - hope it is worth it!  By all accounts it is...

john butler ‏@mrjohnbutler 2m
@RyanSpittles I did - years ago. i'm pretty sure i have it on my hard drive, so i'll upload it to youtube tomorrow and send you a link...

JD and coke please Mr Galloway :)

Social media eh.

Heh, tyty. ping me the link pls, definitely a JD on the bar in the Mirage....

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vgTf8EqfvAE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvgTf8EqfvAE%26feature%3Dyoutu.be (http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vgTf8EqfvAE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvgTf8EqfvAE%26feature%3Dyoutu.be)

Watching now ty ty.

wheres mike magee now?

Wasn't well for a long time (heart attack), recovered and now plays occasional festivals London and South East

how is the sound working for others mines keeps cutting?

absolute stone ages this

The first 10 minutes alone marty is 5*

what about the poker kings one with carlo, ross boatman and garry bush

Did Andy Black go to Vegas with a bag from Blackpool?  When I was growing up everytime you seen someone with those bags you knew they had been on holiday to Blackpool. 

Spoke to him about 3 weeks ago, lost all his money in some business thing that went wrong, so is now busto more or less. Still plays the odd comp at Luton, £50ers, mainly.

wonder what mike magee really had on KQx when he claimed QQ and ran into KK

Lol I  remember thinking this when I saw it years ago

i am 10 minutes in. so far mad marty should have been arrested, he nearly killed his girlfriend and he thinks its hilarious.  i've heard every cliche and old man patter ive ever heard in the game and amarillo slim tells me johannesburg is in Europe.  the rest of this could be epic.  it remnds me so much of why i got into the game.... thanks for whoever linked this!

even in the late 90's there were huge egos in the game.

marty wilson could not be traced!!!!

dont think they looked that hard

lol this was amazing

yeah just lean back and take a sip when you've got the nuts, ok mate

Incred scenes :D

i loved poker so much more back in these days, binions was the holy grail to me, i dreamt about it, when i finally made it there, i was like "fuck this shithole" very sad :(

These were the ballas of that poker era. Devilfish had a ginger goatie too and still thought he was the boss!
Gonna watch poker kings now... If i can find it.

can anyone find this plz? YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7j9yCAi_2o

Tried scottys trick and emailed the director. This guys reasonably big time though so not holding my breath.

Wow, looks sooo old now.
Im with Trigg on the binions viewpoint. 1st visit to Vegas I said to the mrs I had to go see binions, when we got there mrs asked why I wanted to go to a hobo convention...lol

Prefer poker kings myself

Played cash at Binions once.  Seemed dead but had a couple of incred dealers.  Found it a really friendly place and enjoyed it; liked how the valets were old ladies too, just seemed different.

Loved walking around and seeing stuff like the T-shirt stand at $2 a go tho.  Was so bowl but also genuine at the same time.

Watched the film twice now.  Love how hands are described - yeah so I had a pair of QQ he had KK so now I'm out.  Now its so 2 limpers and a guy with 25k, nah sorry about 26.5k, at 50/100 goes to 250 and I find QQ on the button and go to like 625 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Thought Andy Black came across really well and O'Dea seemed like he was ahead of his time somewhat.

Also interesting to still see the odd hoody/headphone guys around even then too.

its not findable... spent 30 mins or so.
annoyingly when i lived at home with parents back in the day my dad videod it and we watched it twice. he wont have it now though but will ask him to look.

Ive got a dvd copy of this, recorded from VHS along with two docs about WSOP 1999 and 2001. I'm away in USA after weekend but can look into copying for anyone who wants one, or lending it out if copying is frowned upon

in. gotta be worth a cuppa tea next time i see you :-) maybe you should put it on youtube.

I'm so techno unsavvy (if thats a word). It might be easier to arrange to give you it at Dusk :D

(Would it be breach of copywright to post it there?)

no rush, i am there a lot more these days so sure we'll see each other soon.

or if a tech savvy person wants to pick it up from dusk or have it posted then put it on youtube... that would work.

can you not upload it to youtube simon?

careful, he's probably like the 3rd oldest poster on blonde

if someone can pm me an idiots guide to getting it on to you tube i will but spent last hour trying to no avail

lol ive no clue either

If you can get a copy of it to someone I am sure they will put it on YouTube it's quite easy

You are without doubt the youngest old timer schooler in UK poker -

If it's on your PC as an avi, or an mp4, I should be able to upload it if you sprend it to me.

Unfortunately its not. Its on a DVD and when I load the DVD it comes up to watch but cant find a way to download it as a file on my PC.

http://www.winxdvd.com/resource/dvd-to-youtube.htm

Might be worth a try.

Lets you do 5 mins of the 44 min clip then stops unless you pay $xx to buy premium edition? :(

Grrr.

http://www.bitstormweb.com/digital-video/converting-dvd-to-youtube-for-free.html suggests that SUPER from http://www.erightsoft.biz/GetFile.php?SUPERsetup.exe is proper freeware and won't pull that stunt.

The bitstormweb site also shows you how to use SUPER to convert the DVD to an AVI which you can then upload direct to YouTube (it also suggests cutting the DVD into smaller chunks which was probably true in 2010 but not needed now)

I asked him tonight Trigg, he says it was genuinely QQ.

amazing.

i remember watching poker kings, hope someone can find it!

if anyone finds any other old school ones post them too

Ha, just found this.

My friend Asher Derei was standing right behind Mike during this hand and said he had AQ.

Was still claiming QQ about 6 months ago at Luton.

Probably looked at the Queen twice and thought he had a pair of them.

Wow this was fantastic!!

Did anyone ever find a copy of poker kings anywhere?

still got mine...

Think if you have any photo processing places near you then most do VHS to DVD conversion.  Know everyone would really appreciate it!

its on dvd already

Amazing how they spoke about the game. Never did anyone mention the blinds, or what their stack was in terms of big blinds.

My favourite bit was when the guy who bubbled said he had 70,000 and it was costing him 20,000 a round to play (I guess 4k, 8k with 1k ante so he had about 9 bbs) and he shoved over an open (which presumably wasn't a min open) and said "the only hand he can call with is two aces".

Mad Marty story about the cones probably tops it all though, in hysterics about how he caused his girlfriend to have a motorbike accident and break both her legs. What a hero!

Should be easy to convert.  If you are going to DTD soon then def take it with you, I'm sure someone would be able to help.

I remember watching all these tv shows years ago. What show was it with Joe Beavers winning a motorbike on a boat?  I also remember another poker show with Jac Arama playing backgammon.

This one was good    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Q5ZNqv4p0

Years ago I also remember watching a poker tv show about a young guy from the UK who tried to turn a profit using another guys money. I have no idea who It was . I have a feeling the UK player who was sponsored by Blue Square/pokerstars  was also on the show.  My memory fails me regarding names, etc.

JP Kelly was his name

Don't think anything ever came of him.

lol,  he did ok I guess.  I have been trying to find the name of the other player. He was a young online guy as well like JP Kelly. I seem to remember he made a good start and made some money only to lose it by the end of the show. He lived at home with his parents in the show. 

That's probably like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

I can't get over the bloke with the brummy sounding accent and his traffic cones story, with potentially one of the longest traffic jams in history haha.

Pretty sure that this is the JP Kelly one.  Still playing so can't watch it but I remember loving it as I was just getting into the game then and he lived fairly close to me too so it was ZOMG


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x777ia_50-says-you-ll-watch-this-part-1-5_sport (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x777ia_50-says-you-ll-watch-this-part-1-5_sport)

Probably mad Marty lol. Don't know him at all but I remember him just jumping up onto stage at one of the ladbrokes cruises back in the day and giving his rendition of sweet Caroline. He doesn't lack confidence that for sure!! lol

if you dont know how to put it online i can either talk you through it or post it through to me and i will put it online as soon as it arrives
or i am sure someone more local can do it for you

Does Devilfosh still turn a coin in the game or is he like the majority of his generation and busto from playing all the up and coming internet kids?

The line on how many times Marty has told that tale must be huge, I'd take the overs on 1,000.

If only the tale were true.

He tells a tale about trying to get off a charge for drink driving which is even funnier.

If you ever play poker with him ask him to tell the tale. You won't regret it I promise.

Please don't ruin the great mental image I have right now by telling me the story a load of rubbish!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I939Kj-dc7c

Uploaded it to You tube.. Can't work out how to clip the first 5 minutes which was a documentary of the WSOP Carlos Mortensen won :)

Unless my memory is going that that is a censored version. No Jac, Mob, Catman and the Russian Tourney has been cut a little bit :)

ha go on bushy

That was a different film? I got that on video somewhere. It was about Catman and followed him around the Jac Arama home game, the HMob and Russia?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snRGREwyps4

edited it to get rid of the 2001 stuff...hope it plays ok!

After watching this, I had a look at Carlo's Wikipedia page. It says this-
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd131/druid636/carlo.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/druid636/media/carlo.jpg.html)

The other documentary with Catman was called Poker Club, it was a bit of a hatchet job tbh. Just found it in my videos. Not used my VCR for 5 years, luckily it still works :)

PM Simon. He's prob got a copy of that too 😀

plays fine on the embedded link on blonde but not on youtube.  any idea why?  is it set to private?

ok if I share on twitter etc?!

Yea, I have searched everywhere for it online. All I remember is it was on British tv years ago and it also featured a female online player who played online as it was easier looking after her kids. There was once a poster on blonde who knew the players concerned and mentioned him in a thread.  

May have been this

http://www.ovguide.com/tv_episode/panorama-season-2006-episode-33-online-gambling-britains-new-obsession-4376704

So many quality lines and ironic ones, loved that video....thanks for posting.

Some great rubdowns as well, my favourites was "Simon has not seen many good hands and the ones he has he's played badly"

I found the show I was talking about and there is even an old blonde thread about it.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=17225.0

I set it to public, so not sure why its not playing on YT?.

Yes of course welcome to tweet it etc.

Absolute gold.

Loads fine in blonde just when I click onto youtube it won't stop buffering.

Loved it.  Thanks for posting.  The pure degeness of that Gary guy was amazing.

Ha ha - yes go on bushy....

I didn't win a satellite, 10k is a lot of money and Id rather spend it on my wife and son on blackjack, craps and hookers

"Leakage" though <3.

Is it just me or do these videos look much older than they are? Some of the clothes are unreal. Devil fish yellow shirt is so early 1990s. Does bush possess a pair of jeans and/or a tee shirt not sponsored by reebok.  I saw him at dtd for the sky event earlier in the year and I was sure he had the same outfit on (tracksuit bottoms reebok t shirt and trainers) as this video.

Awesome to watch none the less. Oh to be ten years older and have enjoyed these glory days!

:D

How many of the UK top 100 in terms of cashes are busto now?

I take it Carlo Citrone has paid back the £700 k of unsecured debt he had as he is still playing poker at reasonable buy-ins? 

The real question is how much of the supposed amount of cashes they have had, before buyins lifetime are deducted, have they actually had for themselves after selling action and swopping.  Deduct exes which include betting shops hookers drugs restaurants night club booze and table games etc etc after this then deduct real life living expenses on top of that and you will understand why poker is the biggest investment myth in the world. The Hendon mob does a great job of selling it to the masses though.

poor trumper bad 52 mins for him there, geeg his fiance, business and 50 lumps

arbboy you cant take away restaurants and nightclubs lol, office workers eat and party too you know? They may even like to have a bet too.

Some great potential stars avatars in the documentary.

Hightlights included

- Gary's "fiance" visibly disturbed by his cat (not sure why but found this hilarious)
- Trumpers over-celebrating when winning a hand
- Hellmuth legit thinking the documentary had turned into a show about him

What kind of brm do you think these guys were using? Do you think they were swapping/selling? Whole thing really interesting. Did any of the 3 convert to online at all?

I know Carlo does really well in live cash.

He has a playing style, personality and contacts that means he will always be able to make a pretty decent living.  Plus he seemed to 'get' the circuit.  While Garry was punting in the betting shop he was talking about grinding the nightly sat.

Did lol at the $120k a year of tournie cashes tho (wasn't the dollar $2/£1 then as well).  Pretty sure minimum wage is a better hourly.  There was a scene at the cash desk where one of them was chopping up a $16k bink too.  Felt so sad for that guys Russian missus too.  Wonder if he told her about living with his mum when he met her.

Gary was in Vegas this year Ryan, you must have seen him in the rio, always had a t shirt on from a vegas casino. Think he was on same flight out as you too.

Got to defend one of my best mates Garry Bush.

Since the making of this video he has turned it around massively.

I'd be very surprised if he isn't now one of the 100 biggest winning gamblers in the country.

Plays poker only for fun these days, and was only in Vegas this summer to visit his son who lives there with his ex wife. (This picture http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=57919.msg1831588#msg1831588 is Jake studying the Racing Post with Bushy's son Louis)

He still has his degen moments, but I doubt there is a gambler I trust more in the country. And might be the funniest guy I've ever played poker with.

That's good to hear Keith. I bet so few people turned it around.

I've never played against him nor met him and so as a completely impartial and unbiased viewer I did think he came across as a degen and would have guessed he'd be skint now etc.

Good on him, great to hear that he's become a big success.

Yes, my comments were banter and certainly most of my good friends and me have a few of the traits he shows in the video. He's always been good when I have played with him and didn't mean any offence; mine were a sort of compliment ha ha. Dont thinks its comes across great ten years on.....got me thinking tho how I would feel if a TV programme was made with me at my "worst" and how I'd feel ten years on.  Guess it comes with the territory of doing it but the thought filled me with dread ha ha

When Bushy's missus moved over from Russia for the first time Garry installed her in his mum's house.

That evening he phoned me and said "I have just heard the two words I have always dreaded the most and fill me with fear"

"What are they Bushy?"

"Home Improvements"

I think this is the other doc that people might be confusing with it.

http://explore.bfi.org.uk/4ce2b88e65ed1 (http://explore.bfi.org.uk/4ce2b88e65ed1)

I'd love it if someone can put that one up on youtube pls&ty.  Director with a massive agenda, a couple of players were sharp enough to see it coming and backed out of filming, but a couple of players volunteered to put their head in the noose...

Have this on video, not great quality as recorded off TV (think all the adverts are in etc). Ill try and get it on DVD and upload to YT this week.

great! thx Simon

Cheers Simon, loving all these, thanks for all your effort

Sat with him during the festival at Luton a week or so ago, hilariously mentioned I was listening to Kate Bush at the time, which was a complete coincidence. Broke the ice though and he was good company and I was able to tell him how people like him from the old LNP got me into the game in the first place (humoured me enough to not even roll his eyes although he must have heard that a thousand times) - always like seeing these guys at the tables

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QitNdZqEdxk


video quality isn't the greatest and the director's agenda runs thru' whiole thing

Really glad to hear that he turned around the degen side.  My view with degens is maybe slightly biased due to someone close having a very bad gambling issue hence I come across a bit harsh.

Oh and Keith.  I was at an event today with Mad Marty.  The drink driving charge story was indeed gold, as were many others he shared.  First time I've spoken to him bar a few words at a GPS a couple of years ago.

why did catman start crying?

my favourite quote is " i have a unique priceless bike for marbella, its worth 25 grand"

sorry but if its worth 25 grand it cant be priceless the price is 25 grand

i dont like them showing gary bush talking about the prostitutes hes been with, agree that director had an agenda

Yeah, this director is out to make them look as bad as possible.

Wow at the last one.

Loved the adverts tho.  AOL!!!!

I wondered that, and also wonder what Joe did with the bike.

Because he didn't win the bike?

Oh my days... I had only seen the first couple minutes of the Russian section!

spoke to him on a THM@bugsys table once he said it was to do with his dad

yeh at the end sure, but he was dealing cards and then jsut broke down.

incredible show, anybody see the brasses teeth? looked like wood.

Had years of entertainment out of the "Bushy always pays double" quote.

Also thought it was obvious that jac was very proud to be on the show, introducing his kids etc

They would have all watched it as would his friends and other family members, he actually won a tournament which nothing was said about and he biggest compliment he got was from a prostitute who said he's fat but a gentleman in bed.

Imagine it was tough viewing at the time, remind me of the film "the fighter" when it's about Christian bale being a heroin addict rather than a ex champion boxer

It was such a hachete job, I sensed that within about 2 minutes.

Catman! What a nutter he is. Probably the strangest guy I've met in poker, but actually pretty harmless and a really nice fella. He is just a big ball of uncontrollable enthusiasm most of the time, reminds me of this guy:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkFs3YzxN_E

that was a really tough watch, nasty hatchet job

Particularly didn't like the kids being featured


Steve Templeman i think with the "Bushy pays double" comment?

Charlie Kleanthous of luton cash game dramas in the london spieler featured too


where was that by the way, anyone know?

That is just brutal.  Looks like the circuit was a lot more fun in those days though.......imagine rocking up for a tournament nowadays and those table from the boat being the poker tables...they look like something from a greasy spoon café!!!

Was Alan vinson (ben's dad) also present at the start of the video in the first game?  Looked like him through the smoke.

Ha, that was my first thought, too.

Also, it looked like a very young Gary Jones was in there as well.

and playing a winner takes all mtt for a motorbike.  What did you do with the bike Mr Beevers?

imagine if this documentary aired now? no wonder everybody has this conception about poker players.

would be really cool to get some modern version of these.

Was it one of Jac's offices?

Thought the woman said that the kids were playing on 'his' computer.

Don't really want to watch it again to check though.

2months 2 million?

Don't the internet wizards live like this now then pads?  I thought it was just the same without the tv channels videoing it and the brass better quality in the ept stops after you have chopped up your 7 figure cashes with your swops!  

Me and a few other UK regs was contacted by a TV production company to take part in a pilot.  He filmed us at DTD during a 500, lots of interviews plus some other stuff at our homes and also at Luton G.

His plan was to get away from the degen misconceptions of the game, really focus on day to day grinding etc.  He got enough footage for a pilot to pitch to various TV channels and was really enthusiastic.

Wasn't picked up sadly.

When bf had their Singapore tournament a few people were chosen for a documentary for free buyin, hotel flights etc. Was mix of people, one worked played recreationally, 1 pro who had amazing work ethic, a female vegan who was as far away from the typical poker player as u could find and I was obv "their degen". Before had cameras go to Romford dogs with me, watch me gamble online and stuff- cribs style tour of house where I lived with parents so as unballa as you can get. When we got to Singapore they filmed me and friends at the racetrack and sorted it so I presented the Singapore Derby winner- think was Derby. We bet the winner as well, and gave it a decent cheer home that the prime minister was in the box next to us and was wondering what was going on. The documentary never made it onto tv thank god as looking back would have been portrayed awfully no don't and cringe thinking about it. Think was in 2006/7??

Wonder how much it would cost to get the tapes out of storage....someone start a staking thread maybe?

Ha just incase anyone can dig it out am deleting that

Lmao at you getting picked as the degen in that field......Wasn't Thomas Bihl Buzzer on BF?  Used to play with him 60-70 times a day at one point and I think Arbboy probably played him more.  Wonder what happened to him.

Yeah he was sponsored by betfair at the time- he runs some sort of staking house now in Thailand from what I gather. Used to bet pretty big on US sports as well

good old Bihl 'buzzer' from the betfair stt's back in the day.  What happened to him dave?  Any idea?

Yes was a big arber i think as well as stt's.  Used to lay a lot of his action at canbet in 2003/4 when i worked there.

Buzzer is a good friend of mine.

Pretty much retired from poker, he is sports betting now.

Just launched a tipping site www.valuecappers.com

You notice Jacarama took his kids to Nandos! I didnt even realise they started that long ago....

Its surprising how differently I view the players in this show now. When I first watched this at about 22 years old, I thought it all looked very exciting. Now watching this at 34, the only player I have any respect for was the geologist who works to provide for his family.  I have no time for any of the rest of them.  When I watched LNP years ago Jacarama seemed wild and an exciting poker player who I thought was a cool guy, now he just seems like a bit of a loser.

Enjoyed those docs. Thanks.
A few legends of the uk circuit in there! Even a young thewy in the background chopping up cash with ross in the irish open i think.
Jas perdesi too... Eating in every scene and avoiding the brass in moscow.

Just exactly what was the womans issue with men? And poker players, she had serious issues that she probably needs help with to make a documentary like that.

Why did the players agree to be on this?

Can't see a single reason why they'd want to even without knowing the hachet job the director would do on them in the second programme.

I'll ask Bushy next time I speak to him.

Trying to cast my mind back to how the poker landscape was back then.  Poker was only just emerging and it may have seemed that sponsorships were being handed out to anyone that happened to win a £100 tourny somewhere that week perhaps to a group of people that were almost entirely unknown outside of poker.  So I suppose it was understandable that lots of them were falling over each other for a chance to be on the telly.  But then again, if you were desperate to advance your poker C.V, I'm surprised that volunteering to be filmed arranging to pick up brasses would be the way to go :D  Definitely a couple of them were shrewd enough to give it a swerve, but plenty of them clearly didn't see it coming.

Maybe they just wanted to be on TV?

Sorting out a brass for that night is not what 99.9999999999999% of people would want to be on TV for.