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6 players players involved in hand on a £1-2 cash game ..
After the flop player 4 bets £20 out of turn
Dealer tells him it's not his turn to act but the bet stands and action is on player 1.
Player 1 now bets £15 ... Everybody is confused as they all can see player 4's £20 bet .
What is the correct betting now for everyone .. ? I.e if no one else raises do players 2 and 3 first call £15 and then player 4s £20 bet stands and then players 1,2 and 3 have to call £5 more ?
Thanks in advance

player 1 has changed the action so the bet is £15 on all players. If it gets round to player 4 he can call raise or fold

Player 1's raise stands and Player 4 has all options open to him again and can take his £20 back out that he has just put over the line.

As it is a cash game the punishment for this is usually just a word from the dealer/and or players!

but any serial offenders should be banned from the game as they are affecting dynamics/gaining info

Not necessarily, actually. I think this is one of the issues that can put off new players coming into the game. Poker itself is very intimidating as a game, and I think we often forget how nervous we felt that first time in a casino. First time I played a proper live tournament I was accused of slow rolling. I had no idea what this meant, but from the sniggers around the table and the response of the person who it was done to, I gathered it was probably a bad thing. If it wasn't a tournament, I would probably have got up and left. The point of this post really is that we have to try and empathise with the people we are playing with. If we shout at them for not knowing who the action is on, throw penalties at them for rules that they have unintentionally broken and take it upon ourselves to police all of their actions from that point on, we will leave these people feeling even more intimidated and belittled by the experience. They won't want to come back, and anyone who plays the game has a responsibility to ensure people do enjoy their experience and do want to come back. If it's a reg, then you can ask them what's going on and offer to buy them another beer. If not, mention it to them for sure, but try and do it in as friendly a manner as possible.

Is this ruling irrespective of the bet size and the £20 only stands as a bet if it checked to the 'out of turn' player.

If player 1 bets £30 does the £20 stand and OOT player has option of folding or making up? I would have thought the same ruling stood.

Is the reason for posting this due to the possibility that player 1 (with a bet size of 15) is angling for no more raises?

The only way the £20 stays in and the bet stands is if it check to him.

In your scenario the player takes his £20 back and can either fold, call £30, or raise.

If you think someone is angle shooting (which 99%+ isn't the case) then ask the floor to have a word.

The angle-shooter would normally check out of turn.

The standard ruling in this situation, summed up in case you didnt understand from above.

Player 4's action will stand, unless the action changes before him. This means that if player 1, 2 or 3 choose to bet, he gets his £20 back and has all options available to him. This stands for a bet of £2 or £200. If they choose to check, the £20 bet will stand. This obviously means that Players 1, 2 and 3 have all options open and available to them.

Punishment is just a very light warning. IE, please keep your eye on the game and be sure the action is on you before doing anything. If he does it again, point out that after being warned he still isnt paying enough attention and next time will incur a penalty. Third time a round penalty from the game. I know this isnt the same as it is in a tournament, but the inconvenience of him having to go and sit out for 10 mins will probably wake him up a bit.

This 3 strike warning will also stop "New" players from being annoyed. If they are a "New" player, they will obviously now understand what they did wrong after the first warning and not do it again.