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PokerStars Hand #111534388976: Tournament #854711006, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (500/1000) - 2014/02/09 12:52:27 WET [2014/02/09 7:52:27 ET]
Table '854711006 6' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1:  (32199 in chips)
Seat 3:  (20782 in chips)
Seat 4:  (20608 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO (58741 in chips)
Seat 6:  (30883 in chips)
Seat 7: VILLAIN (48200 in chips)
Seat 9:  (16230 in chips)

Seat 6: posts small blind 500
Seat 7: VILLAIN posts big blind 1000

HERO HOLE CARDS (8h 8d)

Seat 9: folds
Seat 1: raises 1000 to 2000
Seat 3: folds
HERO: calls 2000
Seat 5: folds
Seat 6: folds
VILLAIN: calls 1000
*** FLOP *** [4s 5h 7h]
VILLAIN: bets 4300
Seat 1: folds
HERO: calls 4300
*** TURN *** [4s 5h 7h] [5s]
VILLAIN: bets 7400
HERO: calls 7400
*** RIVER *** [4s 5h 7h 5s] [Qd]
VILLAIN: bets 34400 and is all-in

villain is solid + winning aggro reg coldbryan.  think he only donks out with something good. prob 2 pair, set or good draw only. suspect on river he both bluffs and value bets big but no notes recorded to confirm :(

this is 2 or 3 from the money of $551R1A. 18 paid + there are several v short stacks on other tables as well
$280 mincash ish, $3k+ UT

thoughts? think the call is prob right enough of the time to make it correct despite bubble etc?

i play the same as you here and fold river, having the 8h takes out a chunk of bluff draws. i dont think a lot of villains shoving range will consist of naked fd's, i dont think theres enough 6hx. if i was not considering the bubble aspect i much prefer a 3b pre sometimes 3/f but we should doubt ppl 4'ing less than 99+ AK

im confused with HH are you seat 4 or 5? start hand with 20.5k or 58k ,are you left with about 9 bigs? thats just a dirty fold.


Board: 7h5h4s5sQd
        Equity     Win         Tie
BU   36.36%   36.36%   0.00%   { 8d8h }
BB   63.64%   63.64%   0.00%   { 99, 77-66, 44, KhJh, Ah9h, Kh6h, 8s6s, 4h3h, Ah2h, 3h2h, 85o+, 75o, 5d4s, 5d4c, 5h4d, 5h4s, 5h4c, 5s4d, 5s4c, 5c4d, 5c4s }

would you think this range is big enough? or should we include more bluffs?

i dont think there are more bluffs i just think he doesnt lead out with some of that range on the flop. feel like its closer to 50% bluffs with missed draws vs flopped monsters, but yeah i guess the two 8s change things a little with 68 now v unlikely. wouldnt put 58o in tbh. feel 66/99 unlikely as played too.

sorry i butchered the HH a little - hero is seat 5 and the bigstack so we are left as shortstack if wrong.

I prob play the hand the same and fold the river tbh.

Don't know maybe I'm missing something here, but a ssmtt Brazilian reg peels BB vs an utg+1 raise from a 30bb stack and a button peel from a stack that covers us. He then leads 2/3rds pot into these two strongish ranges?!

Not sure I want to peel flop let alone turn?

Have you seen him lead previously? How peely has he been?

yeah i couldn't think of much that you beat, so even with my extended range you're pretty slim. so also thought we could include trip 5's but there has to be more than a few missed combo/fd's that he bets sometimes on the flop thats why i included 85o as there's only 4 combos.

Pinchop's right folding should be best otf. even though we can bluff catch 88's here. villain's just gotta have it!

Snap fold flop IMO. Played a lot of o8/Omaha with him and he seems on the tighter side

Yeh definitely fold flop especially with an anti blocker.

Folding is absurd. Think folding the turn might be better though.

If everyone wants to fold 8's here I'm going to start donking from the binds after flicking in 30% of my range PF. Absolute million any of you just fold aces here, and 8's are way better than Aces here.

Dan, this isn't the super early 55c full of lol drunk Aussies. We're playing vs a very solid reg who has little to no spew in him, he doesn't have a balanced donking range into two people. I realise he's Brazilian but he's one of the handful of exceptions.

EDIT: This is the point where Will comes in and posts the full HH showing him calling down a Brazilian donking about with JQo to make me look like a tit

Pretty sure i fold turn. Flop is a bit bleurgh, maybe it is a fold, but pretty sure I never would fold in-game. Surely villain can have a bunch of 56, 67, Combo draws etc etc. Sure we don't do great vs his range, but think a decent amount of the time people will just lead with the above hands and some 7x stuff and will check a lot of turns and make it easy. Turn is a really bad card for us as a bunch of his range gets there vs us... and the parts of his range which haven't just got there were either already ahead or still has a lot of equity vs us. So turn is pretty clear fold for me.

ha it was 23hh. i didnt even consider he had junk like JQo like you see in micros. was always thinking he has flopped a set, maybe 2pair, or a monster draw

re folding earlier...im completely happy with flop call. obvs fold the flop if you think he has a set here 100% of the time. fold turn if you think he had 2 pair on flop as 47 is pretty unlikely obvs. however if you think he has some draws in there its gotta be wrong to fold so early -definitely giving in too easily folding flop IMO. turn can give us nuts to all but 89. plus for another thing MAYBE he checks turn to you given we are both the bigstacks and pot doesnt get out of control. however when he barrels turn yr obvs thinking if i call this am i gonna call a big river bet ...and what cards are gonna stop me from calling  - heart ... or 3... or ace??... i was thinking (hoping) he had a4/a6hh at the time tbh

with the overbet on river wasnt sure it was correct to call generally even though it was on this occasion. he probably plays his flopped set/turned fh exactly the same and this is probably more likely than the above draw. have made plenty of big river calls to be shown the nuts and bust tournies as everyone has im sure. equally made those calls and got it right. its just whether we are right ENOUGH here to justify the call i guess. thats obvs villain dependent and i wasnt sure with this guy - i felt that he was on the tight side too, so probably this was a bad call where we get lucky. makes a small difference that we dont bust completely when wrong so have a chance to double up and be back in it i guess.

I have played him a lot at PLO8.  He pretty much always has it.  Surprised he has that river bet in him. 

Thoughts on 3 bet pre? In game I think I play as you did but fold river. Would rather boil my own eyes than fold the flop

block his bluffs, but not folding turn