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PokerStars Hand #111576163886: Tournament #858625366, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXX (15000/30000) - 2014/02/10 1:26:43 WET [2014/02/09 20:26:43 ET]
Table '858625366 79' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: noirduck (838628 in chips)
Seat 2: JIZOINT (770974 in chips)
Seat 3: NateSD222 (879116 in chips)
Seat 4: Timorm1 (1085999 in chips)
Seat 5: PieTrO_925 (916332 in chips)
Seat 6: GaggleoKings (670764 in chips)
Seat 7: Bonse1 (453980 in chips)
Seat 8: I'am_Sound (930685 in chips)
Seat 9: arxigos (1243522 in chips)
noirduck: posts the ante 3000
JIZOINT: posts the ante 3000
NateSD222: posts the ante 3000
Timorm1: posts the ante 3000
PieTrO_925: posts the ante 3000
GaggleoKings: posts the ante 3000
Bonse1: posts the ante 3000
I'am_Sound: posts the ante 3000
arxigos: posts the ante 3000
noirduck: posts small blind 15000
JIZOINT: posts big blind 30000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GaggleoKings [Qh As]
NateSD222: folds
Timorm1: folds
PieTrO_925: raises 30000 to 60000
GaggleoKings: raises 75995 to 135995
Bonse1: folds
I'am_Sound: raises 75995 to 211990
arxigos: folds
noirduck: folds
JIZOINT: folds
PieTrO_925: folds
GaggleoKings:

Guy is OOL a lot (unless huge card-rack over tiny sample however I've been informed he's a bit crazy). Confirmed sicko. No fold to 4b sample but my fold to 3b has been v high from F2Ts (I guess this could this be interpreted as scared). I've also been seen to open UTG / 4b / fold very early on.

Payouts: $63k 1st...... $5k 9th.

Is every option reasonable... ???

Calling seems the only option to me. Dat price. Shoving seems a little spewy, folding... Dat price.

Just flop a pair, fd, maybe station 1/5 bet on 733 etc

Given the information I can see myself eyeballing sometimes and folding sometimes.  Depends what mood I'm in.  I probably shit my pants and fold ;D

Vs this lot I'm just ripping it pre

Fold preflop is optimal I think. As in don't 3bet if when you're asking what to do when you've been 3b/folding a ton and the cold 4bettor is nuts.

There has to be nothing wrong with just smashing it in in the first instance, so I suppose trying to induce one of the sickos to go sick can't be that horrible.  Kind of hate it when it happens though cause it looks like we have 0 fold equity.

imo if we want to induce then we need to flat pre. Not sure we're going to find many light 4b's in this company with OR still to act

Its more me fishing for info whether me jamming (which is what I did) was OK rather then asking what people would do.

Just seems marginal to get it in here however you do it. If OR jams it's pure dirt. If someone behind you cold 4's it's pure dirt and overall it's a pretty bad spot for you to be bluffing and this has to be the absolute bottom of your GII range and given the action that makes it feel tough.

Maybe this is one of those spots that you have to be in yourself to be able to make the best judgement.

Really happy to GII with OR. We have lots of history (I've 3b his opens a lot whilst deep in this also).

railed the last 2 tables for a while, 3b/call vs opener and be happy about it with history. Now i just hate life, because you have pretty absurd image at this point, its just puke fold for me.

Hmmm

In hindsight I think I should probably flat given the price Im getting. Also hes rarely weighted towards AK in this spot, it's usually AA(we block)/KK/QQ/air. So I should be flatting my entire Ax range expecting any Ax to be good if I make top pair.

Yeah, would be very happy to get this in vs this OR, but only option I don't like is jamming on the cold 4 bettor. You look very strong and as good as he is I would be surprised to see him 4b fold this early on in the final in this spot, so I don't like jamming, but don't think it can be horrible.  I can understand a peel with the price you are being given, but I think ICM considerations lean towards me preferring a fold. Very much a fyl spot though.

Whoops! It was a really strange scenario as I had two seperate pms on Skype informing me he's v good but ballistic! Think the fact he rarely to never has AK makes it a flat and station on Axxxx run outs however in hindsight folding is so much better then jamming.

Cliffs: I Jammed, he had AA... dang! :(

why can't he have AK btw?

Guys a thinker and at this stack depth CIB with A high giving such an attractive price to peel probably isn't optimal. There's also some ICM factors if I decide to spaz out with pairs / hands with good equity vs AK which I 3b with which folds to a more 'committing sizing', would be pretty surprised if he didn't just rip AK tbh. The size of the pot after the 3b is pretty huge for him considering he just has A high.

That's just my thoughts. Would be interested in hearing your thoughts if u think otherwise.

Also, not calculated exactly but looking at it from a cEV perspective we only need ~33% to make a jam +cEV - which we have vs AK if our range consists of: AKs/o + AQs/o + all pairs we 3b. Therefore if we take his calling range into consideration, coupled with the fact that he's good enough to have some bluffs and we have a blocker to AA I say we're 100% getting that which would make it bad news for him with AK.

^ This isn't justification for jamming in the spot I was in though, looking back it was deffo not the best option. Just from a cEV perspective with no ICM.

Tough spot yes and I think all options are viable to directly answer the question

cib with AK does give him the option of folding vs OR though, who will only be jamming super strong, basically AA/KK and maybe a few stubborn QQ.

Also whilst he is giving you an attractive price preflop most of the hands you go ahead and peel will be Ax heavy and pot to stack will be so shallow that chip ev wise he will be committed to pretty much any flop. I don't see you folding too many of your value pairs to a jam that you wouldn't 5b rip so shouldnt change much icm wise here, if anything since he looks so strong you may be as inclined to hero fold to the 4b.

In game people don't always factor correctly for ICM - I mean I doubt many people have a true understanding of it without doing calculations for specific spots (I certainly don't) - So I wouldn't totally discount AK but for the reasons you gave I think you can certainly take some combos out of his range. 

gross spot.
i hate these min 4bets. obv some people abso-min-bet with AA (note this!). ive seen this minraise as a 3b and 4b quite a lot lately from extralaggyscandis mainly with ace rag in position - anyone else noticed this? most fold to another decent sized raise pre which is what i tend to do now having been caught out flatting their minraise too often and struggling postflop. on this FT w payjump icm though i think i nit up and fold/maybe peel cos of the price and hope to flop crazy good. i used to feel like a pro at coming ninth on FTs as i didn't quite switch off from the rising aggro needed for 18-10players left but i've tightened up hugely 8 and 9 handed on FTs now.