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PokerStars Hand #112665761736: Tournament #870520826, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2014/03/02 21:07:16 WET [2014/03/02 16:07:16 ET]
Table '870520826 108' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: sparkythe4th (3325 in chips)
Seat 2: Mr. cariry (8160 in chips)
Seat 3: tomsom87 (2765 in chips)
Seat 4: jay3400 (3305 in chips)
Seat 5: OTwenty (2440 in chips)
Seat 6: russviktor (4270 in chips)
Seat 7: 10bbs (1370 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: squintster (2655 in chips)
Seat 9: kyntteri (4710 in chips)
sparkythe4th: posts small blind 40
Mr. cariry: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tomsom87 [Js  Ahrt]
tomsom87: raises 80 to 160
jay3400: folds
OTwenty: folds
russviktor: calls 160
10bbs: folds
10bbs has returned
squintster: calls 160
kyntteri: calls 160
sparkythe4th: folds
Mr. cariry: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Jc 2d 5s]
Mr. cariry: checks
tomsom87:

Whats your plan of action here?

bet 525 and win, or check then let some next guy turn a set lolol

Bet around 360-420.

Sorry just to clarify, what if we get raised, called etc?

Not enough hands on anyone, so whats the plan?

bet fold vs btn and bb, if i get raised i coin flip decide maybe to stick it in vs all others, i feel like leading big because it looks real unbalanced like u could have 88 here or AA and weaker Jx will always get sticky, i cant see anyone else trying to raise take the lead vs you with anything you have beat 'cept 34. turn should be straight forward and dennnnnnn i'm mostly scared of Q's K's and T's

i lead here big as standard cus frequently it avoids tricky multiway turn cards

About tree fiddy. Decide depending on SN/Avvy and after searching tables. Most probably calling I guess.

This looks like a classic overthinking thread if I'm taking it at face value.

You open UTG, get plentycallers, flop a dry TopTop and want to know what to do next. Bet? To conclude anything else as a general principle would basically mean, by extension, you are having doubts about raising UTG with AJ or that you should just check fold all flops if you get called in more than three spots.

If you get raised, you get raised. In tomsomspeak, if we get raised, we get our beast mode awn and play dem pokaz. Sometimes, someone has a set. Sometimes, you've been called by a raging drunk in Sofia with J2. A lot more times, we ride the Tomsom Express to value town

Now obviously, you aren't daft enough to be asking any of the questions I've answered.

Harrington's principle is to give greater weight to the opponents' actions as the hand progresses, so bet, find out what they are made of and continually reassess on the later streets. I know it's dirty to refer to dinotexts like Harrington on Holdem, but the simple stuff is what makes sense of these decisions. And I'm old...

I'm properly confused as I'm definitely missing the actual question you're asking. I bet 400-550 and take it from there.

That post isn't supposed to be patronising, btw. I know I can come across that way. 

easiest bet fold in the history of texas hold them.

worse calls, worse very rarely raises.

No its fine.  No point in having a discussion if I don't want to listen to others / take ideas on board.  You have kind of over simplified my question though.  If you wish to have the question re-offered in tomsom speak:  

How real does shit have to get before we get away from this?

Or, does anyone do anything different other than c.bet and evaluate.  Guess its kind of hard to know where were at if we do something like ch/call to induce bluffs, but maybe someone has an argument for taking that line.

I'm not for one second suggesting that I'm hating my life at this stage.

Folding pre would be exceptional too. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I'd say when I'm downswinging I fold pre, but ultimately I think its best at this stage (and having chipped down.)

fold pre ainec imo.

Yeh folding pre ante and opening post

Right. Makes more sense. Apologies for not getting what you meant.

Just to extend the question, if you CBet a lot and you're at a table that knows that, would the answer differ?

This is what actually happened but kind of felt like it would happen a fair bit, probs levelling myself.  I c.bet somewhere round 360 I think and the button clicked it back.


If I had my usual amount of tables open I would fold this pre and not think twice.  I'm pretty sure opening when I'm paying 100% attention and have all the time in the world to think about it can't be that bad though?


This is an extremely deep rabbit hole.  Just for the shear number of variables im not even going to attempt this  ;D

They never know this so you can go ahead and cbet and not worry about this.