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Hey!

Just looking for some advice really about poker and moving up limits.

For the last 4/5 months i have been  withdrawing £400-£500 from my poker acccount(s), i put 90% of my volume on one site.

I play all games but most profit comes from Cash, and Sit and Go's.

I play 10nl and 20nl and do pretty well.

As long as i withdraw i can't really play higher limits. Plus i feel if i played 50nl for example, the standard of player will be significantly better than the games i'm playing just now, so i could get crushed!

I just thought i'd ask what people did when they moved up levels?

Am i as well stopping withdrawing, or certainly not to the same extent, to concentrate on moving up?

Like i don't know if i should keep the status quo, like over the year is not a  bad lump of money.

Any help greatly appreciated!

What are you withdrawing the cash for? Do you need it to live on or does the job cover that ok and it's extra bonus cash for fun?

It's just a personal decision really, but most people like to keep challenging themselves so if you don't need to take the cash out no harm in trying the next level to see how it goes. If you struggle then you can always drop back again and merrily collect your £500 for passing Go each month.

Bolded part is pretty much it.

I really don't know, a lot of people play the same level forever. I can understand why they do it, they are in their comfort zone.

That's where i am right now. Ryan Spittles (scotty77) said he sees some of the same regs still playing at 20nl, from when he used to play there years ago. Just wondering if that;ll be me in 1 or 2 years time.

Am i good enough to spin up to like 10k-15k, which a lot of people have done, probably not.

Dunno what to do, slowly slowly catchy monkey or at some point just go for it.
 

How many hours do you have to put in to make that £500/month?

you can withdraw from an online poker account?
who knew?!

Just don't withdraw for a couple of months then have a 20bi shot at .25/.50

Hey everyone,

I'll prob just withdraw a small amount every month, like 30% of profit or something, and let the bankroll build up to a good amount.

And just be disciplined, and make sure i dont play spewy/ go on monkey tilt.

Generally withdrawing from your roll prevents you from moving up and achieving a higher hourly rate. This can severely stunt your growth both as a player and the growth of your bankroll. If you don't need to withdraw I'd try to keep as much money in as possible. However, its good to take some cash out and spend as a reward for your hard work. You don't want your whole life to be a grind after all

Never withdraw, let it add up. Not moving up will likely be a very bad decision. Are you playing for money? If so the higher you play the more you will make. Are you playing for fun? The higher you play the more challenging it will be.  I don't see ay merits in continuing to play 20nl.

Also you say youlay 20nlhu, you basically cannot win due to the rake but if you move upto 50 maybe you can.

Hey RG

Thanks for the reply.

Sound advice, i'll maybe withdraw a certain amount every month, even if it was just the rake back, or a % of my winnings in a month, a small % 20/30%, to let the bankroll grow.

I'll prob need to improve a lot also, i think 50nl will be a lot tougher with a lot more good players and less recy type players.

This is the biggest misconception in poker. Anybody who plays any limit always expects the one limit higher to be very hard. At the end of the day even though to relative nl50 on sky poker will be incredibly soft and by that I mean it will be possible to win at over 10bb/100 and if you don't wont won't be because the field is tough but it will be because you haven't worked hard enough.

Hey Pads,

Well done on your results last week :)

When i started playing a few years ago i done the whole deposit a tenner, £20, make it last as long as possible before going busto. I won a bh on sky and and then came 2nd in 1, i made over £130 in a few days, i thought i was awesome the best player in the world. I withdrew most of this money, before going busto again with the £40 in my account. I didn't understand why i couldn't win again, it's because i was terrible and just got lucky in those 2 games. It was then i decided i wanted to improve and actually get better.

Back then it was all about fun, and if you won it was just an added bonus. I went through a whole phase of learning and it was still fun but i was winning more and more. Not a lot, but my results were getting better and better, and there was a lot more winning days than losing.

Circa today, it is still fun but it's a lot more geared to winning. I'm quite competitive as well, so it is always a challenge. But there is times now, say i'm in a hole, i will grind through to get back to evens or better, or atleast reduce the hole. That's not fun, just part of poker.

Thanks for your 2 posts.

All you say is true i should just push myself to move onwards and upwards. There is money at 20nl HU, the bad play by some players far outweighs the rake issue. Tho Rake on sky is massive at this level as a % of any pot, that's prob true of most sites.

"This is the biggest misconception in poker. Anybody who plays any limit always expects the one limit higher to be very hard."

I know it will be, it's all psychological as in i think it's higher level = it must be a far better standard. Which it will be, the regs will be better, standard will be slightly better. But prob the gap's prob not as massive as i think.

Your last point is sound as well. I think i do need to improve a bit, prob a lot, before i could do really well at 50nl.  

Hi

I'm sory but I'm pretty sure you are deluded regarding the rake at 20hu

I'm not sure exactly but the rake will be around 15bb/100

You mentioned on your blog last week you were playing against a very bad/passive player.

Against this player t will be hard to have a huge edge. To be break even you have to win at 15bb/100

Lets say somehow you have managed to gain a 20bb win rate over a guy who plays super nitty (this is v hard but let's say you do)

That means you are making 1£ for every 100 hands. To make minimum wage you need to play 500 hands an hour. You said there's money to be made, lets say 20 pounds an hour would be good vs a fish this means you need to be winning at 50bb/100 or something silly. I just think you have a deluded misconception because of some short term run good.

Heads up especially runs because a bad player sits with a good player. The good player is incentivized to play as highly as possible because the wine ate vs the player isn't going to change and thus the higher they play the more money that they make.

I love with a professional heads up player fwiw and the goal is to make around 2$ /hand once you get to decent stakes (200-1k) that's where the "money is" and I would strongly suggest to keep as much money as possible online and sit higher and higher whilst still following brm.

Sorry for bad spelling with I'm sure is everywhere my iPad going crazy and potentially for being blunt but you were asking for advice.

In fact just checked some more and it's likely to be over 20bb/100 in rake

Not al all, you are right the rake is crazy at 20nl HU, it's like 5% of any pot post flop maybe 4%, but it is massssive.

Like you said, against a nitty player it's completely pointless.

I appreciate your advice, feedback, comments.

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Haha loving house :-D

Someone made a good point, you say you withdraw £500 a week, if you NEED that £500 then obv you must withdraw it, if you don't then don't withdraw one week, and use the £500 to play .25/.50 with, if you lose £500 then just go back to as you were. Managing a bankroll is all about utility value, sometimes a £3,000 and a £5,000 bankroll have the same value utility-wise so you have a surplus of £2,000 to take shots with or whatever0, sometimes the difference between a £6,000 and a £4,000 is massive so protecting that extra £2,000 is crucial...

Onto Pads' points though, he is right the rake at the micro limits is brutal - it might not be "unbeatable" as he suggests (I would lean to thinking it prolly is long term, sorry to say) but the incentive to move up should be massive because of the severity of the rake at micro stakes you only need to win at about 1/4 of the rate at low/mid stakes to make significantly more money.

His point about the stnd of play between stakes is also correct, I play 1/2 - 25/50 and the toughest stakes are 2/4. 3/6 and 10/20. if youre good enough to make money from poker then you should be able to beat 50/1 and 1/2 which is where you can start to make decent monies. Also it's much more fun to play for more money! Lets have a bit more self belief here please!!!

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